how do you identify intelligent features in men?

[nockwasright]

Yeah, once I asked a friend if he would have valued a girl more have I assured him she was a genius. He answered, only if she is a genius in bed.
But what attracts men is so obvious we waste time talking about it (you girls have strategies? Girls don't need strategies!).
ivyleak: you tell us what's the "manly, but caring" look instead, as that's yet to be understood by science or religion.

FD: exactly what I meant, slips that reveal some major flaw are deadly with a woman non relevant with a man. Think this, a man gives a remarkably small tip, she thinks he is petty and loses her respect (and they can't do it with you if they don't respect you). A woman bitches horribly all the time about waitresses, man thinks ... what a bitch, and who cares!

[nockwasright]

e.g. Mike Tyson looks pretty virile but not much caring.

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nockwasright said:

Yeah, once I asked a friend if he would have valued a girl more have I assured him she was a genius. He answered, only if she is a genius in bed.
But what attracts men is so obvious we waste time talking about it (you girls have strategies? Girls don't need strategies!).
ivyleak: you tell us what's the "manly, but caring" look instead, as that's yet to be understood by science or religion.

FD: exactly what I meant, slips that reveal some major flaw are deadly with a woman non relevant with a man. Think this, a man gives a remarkably small tip, she thinks he is petty and loses her respect (and they can't do it with you if they don't respect you). A woman bitches horribly all the time about waitresses, man thinks ... what a bitch, and who cares!

in terms of female and male sexuality there might be a double standard even for females depending on the situation, a random male can really turn on a female - there is strong sexual attraction for females too - although this would be dependent on circumstances and isn't incidentally substantial to the level of male sexual reciprocity to females.

so a male(s) might have characteristics that females might be strongly sexually attracted to also. the attractivity might be soley on a sexual level, without any other considerations, like in a transient sexual relationship.

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that's where perceptions of male virility come in.

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the point is that females are never 100% complacent in their relationships with men. the female sexual components to their relationships don't necessarily have to be tied up with sexual-emotive feelings or moods of complacency.

[nockwasright]

dimare2 said:

so what? those are independent qualities, that can exist seperately on the same person
i dont see your point

Manlyness is positively correlated with tough looking appareance (manly traits, as large jaw, big bones, deep eyes ...) and behaviour (being aggrssive, auctoritative, move in an imperious manner, deep voice), as both are directly correlated with presence of testosteron.
The same qualities are inversely correlated with caring attitude.
A better (than Tyson) example: studies tell that men with high testosterone level have difficulties in smiling and when they do they appear more grinning than smiling. Smile is always important for girlies as it shows a caring attitude (see Tom Cruise).

[Educate Me]

I think people have different ideas on how an extremely intelligent man looks, when I think of someone very smart I think of an alpinid (think of qvp´s avatar) central european looking, french, austrian, or an armenoid, like kasparov, greenspan, kissinger etc


someone like this for example




But Agrippa thinks that nords are the benchmark, that alpinids are not really that smart, predominantly jolly social people etc, and he assures that in german and austrian universities nordic types predominate, which I guess is true.


maybe we have different ideas on how smart people look because in argentina we were not blessed with a high amount of nordics, so, the intellectual elite has another phenotype here.

[asdf]

that alpinids are not really that smart, predominantly jolly social people etc

Um... he said Alpinids are usually Zyklothym specifically that they were no different in terms of intellgence, just behavior.

[Educate Me]

you need to dig out those 20 pages qvp threads

basically nords are deep troubled souls, while alpinids go to oktoberfest

[nockwasright]

ienjoylurking said:

basically nords are deep troubled souls, while alpinids go to oktoberfest

Gotta love this

[nockwasright]

dimare3 said:

nockwasright said:

So youre saying a man is so un-dynamic that he cant be caring compassionate respectful manly aggressive ?
I dont see how the qualities contradict
How the hell are women more "caring" then men ? it's on an individual basis. Caring is a positive trait for HUMANS. not sex orientated

No, I didn't mean to be so drastic. I only said that as a tendence, agressivenes goes with testosterone/manliness (men are much more aggressive than women) caring attitude with estradiol/women. Women ARE more caring than men, just compare a children dressed by mum and one dressed by dad.

[Faelcind]

I beleive IQ has been positively correlated with facial symetery and overall rating of attractiveness so contrary to popular opinion smart does not equal unatractive or vice versa. However I would be curious to see if the correlation holds for the outliers on upper side of IQ curve.

[ivyleak]

faelcind said:

I beleive IQ has been positively correlated with facial symetery and overall rating of attractiveness so contrary to popular opinion smart does not equal unatractive or vice versa. However I would be curious to see if the correlation holds for the outliers on upper side of IQ curve.

Sure, a retarded man with an IQ of 70 will not be as handsome as a man with an IQ of 130. But if you look at the extremely rare individual with an IQ of 160, they will again have the look of a retarded man. It is a quite a strange paradox and one I am still trying to figure out. When the analytical regions of the brain over develop certain others become very deficient (such as immune funtion, etc.). I like my men with an IQ of around 123.

[ndrthl]

William James Sidis, the US prodigy, who is supposed to have had an IQ in the 250/300 range (!), shows a rather strange looks:

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Further information on Sidis:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_James_Sidis


On the other hand, Bobby Fischer, who has a measured IQ of 180, shows a more 'normal' appearance:

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[JoeyC134]

It's all in the forehead.