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Post by Agrippa on Sept 18, 2005 13:15:07 GMT -5
That's all well and good, I just want you to know that Kafrid carries a very real, racist stigma with it and I try to avoid those kinds of terms at all costs if possible. You are free to use Bantuid, since this term was well in use in late German typologies too and makes sense as well, though I read in most Kafrids of course for good reasons as I tried to explain. There are always facts and the interpretation, the fact is that such a anatomical feature combination exists in SE Africa which is related to the basic Negrid type (Sudanid) and the former Kafir groups are representative, but not all Bantus are of the same type - because the "jungle-woodland Negrids" are Palaenegrid mostly. So after knowing this facts you can decide whether you prefer Kafrid or Bantuid... You can be a racist afterwards anyway, even if you totally avoid any description and terms. In fact thats even easier for some because they dont have to learn something about the foreign races nor have they to look at the facts. Furthermore being racist doesnt necessarily imply that you must insult everybody, thats rather a question of personality since many non-racist people on this board tend to be much more rude than the most racists. Being a racist just means that you love your own race and want to preserve it, beyond that there are many options... Its like it is with Nationalism, being a Nationalist doesnt have to mean to hate anybody, there can be just situation or conflicts in which you have to decide and hate might come up, especially if its about the most extreme forms. But again, that wasnt the original meaning of Nationalism either, it just meant to unify a nation, ethnic group and to form a stable state with certain ideals brought back or to new life. I'm a racist for sure, but I dont have to hate others for being different as long as they dont harm my group in any form, if its essential for survival things are clear, if thats not the case I'm just interested and usually friendly to everybody...
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 18, 2005 13:44:06 GMT -5
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 18, 2005 13:45:25 GMT -5
Attractive group of people, if those pictures are any indication.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 18, 2005 13:49:20 GMT -5
There is no need to take Agrippa seriously, or even waste your time with him. Nothing can be gotten out of a discussion with him. Rather, just look at it as entertainment and to feel good that you're not him.
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Post by One Humanity on Sept 18, 2005 13:53:24 GMT -5
These two here are not ethnically Nilotic btw. but live in bordering regions (just Nilotid admixture): It even shows that they aren't fully typical doesn't it? The thickness of the browridge at the sides is a very primitive trait. This woman is at least member of an Eastern Cushite tribe that historically mixed with Nilotics (Rendille): The Maasai and Turkana people I posted are Nilotic. I'll start a new thread with more pictures.
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 18, 2005 13:55:50 GMT -5
Well, in Egypt the Negrid element is just partly Nilotid, its mostly Sudanid. Race pictures and maps: forum.stirpes.net/showthread.php?t=2343forum.stirpes.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=4341&d=1119996493On this map the term Bantuid was used btw, its a map from the 1990's. You can see that the real Nilotids are a rather small group and are mostly already going over to the Aethiopids in the East, to the Sudanids in the West and in the North the N-E (Negrid-Europid) contact zone is not clearly Nilotid but has a strong Sudanid proportion. You can see this clearly in the first Egyptian you provided, he has rather Berberid-Sudanid features. As for the Eastafricans in general, we must distinguish recent-unstabilised-unselected mixture from prehistoric-ancient one which was stabilised, selected and formed something new, original.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 18, 2005 14:07:14 GMT -5
The idea of there being more Sudanid than Nilotid influence in Egypt doesn't sound very likely to me. Plus, the whole racial situation in Chad is kind of confusing to begin with. Not quite sure where the people of Chad stand in the Negroid spectrum.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 18, 2005 14:11:18 GMT -5
Attractive group of people, if those pictures are any indication. Those pictures illustrate diversity. If we use Agrippa's reasoning those people are mixed with a Europid element.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 18, 2005 14:15:39 GMT -5
Attractive group of people, if those pictures are any indication. The two young women are very hot.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 18, 2005 14:17:41 GMT -5
The idea of there being more Sudanid than Nilotid influence in Egypt doesn't sound very likely to me. Plus, the whole racial situation in Chad is kind of confusing to begin with. Not quite sure where the people of Chad stand in the Negroid spectrum. People in Chad are maternally more East African than West African, we would have to look at the Y-chromosone to make a better determination. But the sub-Saharan element in Egypt is East African, if we look at Y-chromosones.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 18, 2005 14:26:16 GMT -5
I blame it on the other Chinese dude! ;D And zemelmete says "hui" basically means "dick" in Russian and it's a swear word in Latvian. Oh my. I think I should go back to being an Alpine wannabe. (I'm not into women, but I can admit hotness when I see it.)
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 18, 2005 14:31:35 GMT -5
Attractive group of people, if those pictures are any indication. Yes, they look like a stabilised blend of the elements I mentioned but definitely Negrid, still Aethiopid influence is visible and Aethiopids in turn have an Europoid (note -oid) influence. This one can be ancient pre-Caucasoid from East Africa or later direct Europoid, like in Somalia f.e. @chinese formerly known as human2: Well, all things I mentioned are facts, from the Kafir group, to the Bantu expansion, about Twas as indigenous and Niloto-Hamitic elements in Tutsis - BUT Niloto-Hamits themselves are much more Negrid than f.e. Amhara or Somalis, the Nilotid element is really dominant but their features are refined, at least in individuals, by significan Aethiopid admixture. Now I'm open minded about the origins of Aethiopids, whether they are an ancient group largely on their own or the result of mixture and local selection. But what they are not are typical-pure Negrids and thats for sure.
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Post by mandate of heaven on Sept 18, 2005 14:38:10 GMT -5
I blame it on the other Chinese dude! ;D And zemelmete says "hui" basically means "dick" in Russian and it's a swear word in Latvian. Oh my. I think I should go back to being an Alpine wannabe. (I'm not into women, but I can admit hotness when I see it.) Lol i once ask a waitress for Cous(instead of Cous Cous) in a resturant, i had no idea it meant pu$$y in Arabic. Another time i was getting a haircut, the barber who's from Shanghai said he " Da tou" which means "hitting head" in mandarin, i felt threatened and started spazing out.
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Post by Power Cosmic on Sept 18, 2005 14:44:06 GMT -5
Attractive group of people, if those pictures are any indication. Yes, they look like a stabilised blend of the elements I mentioned but definitely Negrid, still Aethiopid influence is visible and Aethiopids in turn have an Europoid (note -oid) influence. This one can be ancient pre-Caucasoid from East Africa or later direct Europoid, like in Somalia f.e. @chinese formerly known as human2: Well, all things I mentioned are facts, from the Kafir group, to the Bantu expansion, about Twas as indigenous and Niloto-Hamitic elements in Tutsis - BUT Niloto-Hamits themselves are much more Negrid than f.e. Amhara or Somalis, the Nilotid element is really dominant but their features are refined, at least in individuals, by significan Aethiopid admixture. Now I'm open minded about the origins of Aethiopids, whether they are an ancient group largely on their own or the result of mixture and local selection. But what they are not are typical-pure Negrids and thats for sure. There is a such thing as natural variation, a blend of various elements isn't always the most logical explanation. Variation is the rule not the exception.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 18, 2005 14:58:38 GMT -5
Anyway, Chinese and other Asians do find Middle Eastern women very beautiful. We find the narrower faces, more prominent noses, bigger eyes of Middle Eastern women more beautiful than that of Europeans. My mom, for example, is not impressed by blond hair or light eyes but by what she calls the "clear" features of Persian, Indian, and Semitic women. 9 out of ten Chinese, whether female or male, will agree. We can't imagine a world of white-haired pale people. No sensuality there. It may look good when it stands out, like Brad Pitt in Troy, but... uh... it would be nightmare to have Germanics breeding like rabbits and spreading their progressiveness. I am being serious here and not flirting. Just wanted to point out that the Nordic ideal up there in Sweden isn't all that appreciated. I'm living in the wrong damn part of the world. ;D
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