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Post by nockwasright on Sept 1, 2005 13:06:25 GMT -5
Gravity is the enemy! The weakest interaction force, but in the end makes stars implode. Plus, see what it does to boobs, it's outreagious.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Sept 1, 2005 14:41:02 GMT -5
Thank the Alpine God for plastic surgery! ;D
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 1, 2005 15:02:39 GMT -5
Well, I'm a tall, meso-to-dolichocephalic brute who plans to live forever.
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Post by Faelcind on Sept 1, 2005 17:36:28 GMT -5
Speaking selection off the topic but it amuses me that professional atheletes have to have the highest fitness of any group in hyperindustrial societies. Especially in this country at least Basketball players, guess QVP is going to be dissapointed by the tall people of future.
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Sept 1, 2005 17:50:08 GMT -5
Comfort yourselves, science thinks otherwise.
Bull World Health Organ. 1992;70(2):259-67. Related Articles, Links
Impact of height and weight on life span.
Samaras TT, Storms LH.
Department of Psychiatry, University of California, San Diego.
The study was conducted to evaluate one aspect of the entropy theory of aging, which hypothesizes that aging is the result of increasing disorder within the body, and which predicts that increasing mass lowers life span. The first evaluation of the impact of human size on longevity or life span in 1978, which was based on data for decreased groups of athletes and famous people in the USA, suggested that shorter, lighter men live longer than their taller, heavier counterparts. In 1990, a study of 1679 decreased men and women from the general American population supported these findings. In the present study data on the height, weight, and age at death of 373 men were obtained from records at the Veterans Administration Medical Center, San Diego, CA, USA. Men of height 175.3 cm or less lived an average of 4.95 years longer than those of height over 175.3 cm, while men of height 170.2 cm or less lived 7.46 years longer than those of at least 182.9 cm. An analysis by weight difference revealed a 7.72-year greater longevity for men of weight 63.6 kg or less compared with those of 90.9 kg or more. This corroborates earlier evidence and contradicts the popular notion that taller people are healthier. While short stature due to malnutrition or illness is undesirable, our study suggests that feeding children for maximum growth and physical development may not add to and may indeed be harmful to their long-term health and longevity.
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 1, 2005 18:10:02 GMT -5
I'd say thats just one study, first, and secondly if we are speaking about obese, or at least pyknomorphic individuals, yes, you its right. As for the just height difference with basically the same constitution it would be interesting to look at the various reasons for earlier death in taller persons, if they results are true. Furthermore there is no ethnoracial distinction made. Its f.e. well known that Mediterranids, especially if living on the Mediterranean diet and with less stress can live longer f.e. That has not too much to do with Alpinids though and a long life is not always that desirable, its more important what people do during their life span.
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Post by Faelcind on Sept 1, 2005 23:09:58 GMT -5
On this one I have to agree with agrippa life span has never been particular important to me, biological its not that important as far as biological fitness, and can hardly be considered the measure of mans(or womans) acheivment. So short people live a few years longer, men of above average height have been found to rise faster in buisness, are more succesfull with women, and perform better in sports. Either doesn't really matter to me though I enjoy being tall.
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Post by Ilmatar on Sept 2, 2005 0:49:16 GMT -5
especially considering emancipation = so that women tend to want career and hedonism too, oftentimes as much or even more than men, that was different in the past, so chances of having many high quality families with above average children are much below prehistoric times whats contraselection. So women having any aspirations beyond having and rasing children are hedonists ? That's interesting. However, I thought that the archeologists and the anthropologists pretty much agree on the fact that women weren't having that many children at all in the prehistoric times. Most women probably wouldn't have had more than two surviving children. And that still is the average for the academically educated women in countries where working outside home (I wouldn't talk about "having a career", since most women really aren't that career driven) and having children is made easier.
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Post by nockwasright on Sept 2, 2005 2:42:47 GMT -5
Comfort yourselves, science thinks otherwise. You still have to explain why living longer lifes should be a favourable trait. How did the population increase then, as 2 children is just replacement rate.
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Sept 2, 2005 3:52:57 GMT -5
nockwasright, are you a standard-issue Boasian race egalitarian? Do you believe that brain size is correlated with IQ? +.33dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/02/big-brained-people-are-smarter.htmlDo you accept the fact that brain size is correlated with the cephalic index? +.37K.L. Beals. Current Anthropology 25, 301-30. (1984). Do you deny that no dolichocephalic race has ever created a civilisation?
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Post by nockwasright on Sept 2, 2005 4:21:42 GMT -5
I'm tempted to answer "you still have to explain why living longer lifes should be a favourable trait", but for the sake of discussion:
I do not assume races are equal.
I think there likely is a very rough correlation between brain size and intelligence, meaning that a brain 3 times the size of another expresses more intelligence, in animals the ratio brain/body is correlated to intelligence, in human evolution the increase in brain size is correlated with increase in intelligence. When the size difference is within range of 100% (I'm using percentages to give an idea, ax example), it becames completely irrelevant as overcame by other factors.
Think this: QI doesn't improve after childhood/puberty, while braincase grows. Women have smaller brains, but score better in QI tests. Many brachicephalic population you hold in esteem and consider peaks of intelligence have actually smaller braincases than dolichos because they are much smaller in absolute terms. The Japanese computer wiz has a smaller braincase than a 7 feet Masai. You crusade against tall men, but a tall dolicho men may have a bigger head, in absolute terms, than a short brachi. Carl Malone would be a genius under your standards.
Of course dolichocephalic men created civilisations. The English civilisation is the most important and successful civilisation ever. Swedes created a remarkable civilisation of their own. Arabs too. Ever heard about India? Or Spain? I could go on.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Sept 2, 2005 4:30:07 GMT -5
No dolichocephalic race has ever created a civilization? Riiiight.
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Sept 2, 2005 4:40:55 GMT -5
Britain is mesocephalic
'England, Scotland, and Wales are all fundamentally mesocephalic, and no regional mean falls below 76 or rises above 80.'
Sweden is mesocephalic
'The mean head length of Swedish recruits is 193.8 mm., and the breadth 152.3 mm., yielding a cephalic index of 77.7.'
Spaniards are mesocephalic
'A series of 79 Spaniards measured in Madrid116 have head dimensions comparable to those of Yemenite Arabs, Oriental Jews, and Kabyles. The vault length (191 mm.) and breadth (150 mm.) yield a mean cephalic index of 78; the auricular height is 126 mm.'
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Post by nockwasright on Sept 2, 2005 5:15:48 GMT -5
Britain is mesocephalicSpaniards are mesocephalic'A series of 79 Spaniards measured in Madrid116 have head dimensions comparable to those of Yemenite Arabs, Oriental Jews, and Kabyles. The vault length (191 mm.) and breadth (150 mm.) yield a mean cephalic index of 78; the auricular height is 126 mm.' Wow, all 79 of them? Have you been to Spain, England, Sweden in your life, Valerius Priscus?
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Post by Q. Valerius Priscus on Sept 2, 2005 5:49:28 GMT -5
Is that the best you can do nockwasright? You claimed that Sweden, England, and Spain were dolichocephalic countries. I called your bluff.
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