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Post by Agrippa on Sept 9, 2005 7:45:57 GMT -5
The problem is not war in itself but the kind of war and biological consequences. If small groups fight wars, the selection will most of the time further the better, in mass wars or in wars just a small percentage of those willing fight (warlike aristocrats and mercenaries) things are totally different from old clan and tribe wars, because those can survive and even profit which dont fight...
More important than height is body build, leptomorphics are more often driven by ideas, fanatic and risk taking than pyknomorphics. They were more often under the immigrants which came in times in which it was difficult to get there to America too.
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Post by Liquid Len on Sept 12, 2005 9:33:35 GMT -5
you should know that the stature of typical Alpinids is shorter, broader, legs shorter relatively and face smaller but with more subcutaneous fat, weaker bones etc. Is this really true? Can you back it up? According to recent studies the mean relative sitting height in the Massif Central of France, the classical core area of the extreme Alpinid is 52,4. That's quite low if we compare it with the mean index of the Portuguese, which is according to Coon 53,2, or with the South Italian Americans who have following the same source even an index of 53,3. If we look a bit around in France we encounter the peak in the Northwest of the country with still relatively low 52,8, while the East (both Alsace/Lorraine and Savoy in the western Alps) has a surprisingly low index of 51,9. In some parts of central and northern Switzerland it rises (according to Schlaginhaufen) again to 52,7 and 52,8, and in the westernmost corner of the Swiss Alps it's also only 52,7. The highest relative sitting heights are probably to be found among the Italian Swiss, where the means range from 52,7 to 53,1. For comparison: An Andalusian sample Coon mentioned had an index of 50,6.
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Post by Agrippa on Sept 12, 2005 11:05:11 GMT -5
Higher percentage of sitting height = shorter legs. First, legs were getting longer due to secular acceleration, the main increase in height was in the long bones. Furthermore both Nordids, Dinarid and Mediterranids have longer legs than typical Alpinids. Lundman wrote that the Nordid regions of Scandinavia have significantly legs than that of the Vastmansland and Baltid area. You are right that the Cevennes region is very Alpinid, but still one has to sort out the other influences and Coons data is partly outdated because of secular acceleration so its difficult to directly compare it with modern data. I made a thread about the Nordid body type on Skadi: forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=39434About secular acceleration: www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_200304/ai_n9189113/pg_3
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Post by Liquid Len on Dec 27, 2005 14:22:40 GMT -5
Higher percentage of sitting height = shorter legs. First, legs were getting longer due to secular acceleration, the main increase in height was in the long bones. Furthermore both Nordids, Dinarid and Mediterranids have longer legs than typical Alpinids. Lundman wrote that the Nordid regions of Scandinavia have significantly legs than that of the Vastmansland and Baltid area. You are right that the Cevennes region is very Alpinid, but still one has to sort out the other influences and Coons data is partly outdated because of secular acceleration so its difficult to directly compare it with modern data. I made a thread about the Nordid body type on Skadi: forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=39434About secular acceleration: www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3659/is_200304/ai_n9189113/pg_3It's probably true that secular acceleration changes the relative sitting height. The question is only how much, and in how far it makes a comparison of Coon's data with newer one impossible. Recently I've noticed that Coon mentions in the chapter about the French what their mean relative sitting height back then was (or more exactly in 1883, from when his utilised source was): If we compare this with the newer data that I cited, we see that it's about in the middle between the two regional extremes (51,9 and 52,8), i.e. probably close to the modern average of the country as a whole. Therefore it's still possible that some pred. longheaded "Medish" groups have greater relative sitting heights than pred. Alpinid groups.
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