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Post by Igu on Aug 5, 2005 3:52:04 GMT -5
Hmm, it looks like those blackish mixed southern North Africans aren't that bad, eh? The green vs. red areas clearly correspond to areas where cultural Arab influence is historically stronger or weaker. I'll be those red Kabyle provinces are quite mountainous in terrain, right? But what about the nearby 'Green States'? Who lives there? The nearby 'Green States' have about 30 to 50% Kabyles, the goverment of the 70's created those fake provinces by taking some parts of Kabylie and some parts of ancient arab provinces in order to reduce the area of Kabylie and to assimilate Kabyles. They also started a colonization process by giving the lands (for free) in those areas to foreign arabs. The southern regions are populated by northern populations, they are generally pro-government (oil companies, administration, military), in fact, it does not make the southeners (they get no jobs) happy and many riots occured last year. (This movement is supported by Kabyles, I personally don't care because they hate us). Even if there was no northeners there, the area would still be non-Islamist though, your analysis is correct.
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Post by Igu on Aug 5, 2005 3:54:52 GMT -5
I don't understand your question, but I have some comments: -Kabyles are not lighter than Iberians or Sicilians, that's for sure and blondism is rare. -I have posted enough pictures about the kabyles, if you want a recall, click here: c.1asphost.com/imazighen/kabyles/algeria.htmWhat about Riffians? Coon used to say Riffians were fairer than Iberians. Was he wrong on that too? Exactly. he was wrong.
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Post by Melnorme on Aug 5, 2005 9:59:49 GMT -5
What about Riffians? Coon used to say Riffians were fairer than Iberians. Was he wrong on that too? IIRC, he didn't say they were necessarily fairer, only 'more Nordic'.
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Post by k5125 on Aug 5, 2005 10:10:27 GMT -5
Belonging to the caucasian race, they have fair skin, light hair, and sometimes blue eyes... www.gosahara.org/kb.htmlWhats up with this?? I don't understand your question, but I have some comments: -Kabyles are not lighter than Iberians or Sicilians, that's for sure and blondism is rare. -I have posted enough pictures about the kabyles, if you want a recall, click here: c.1asphost.com/imazighen/kabyles/algeria.htmI was basically questioning the validity of the website because saying Berbers are blond haired blue eyed seemed ridiculous to me. But you pretty much answered it here.
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Post by eufrenio on Aug 5, 2005 11:07:40 GMT -5
What about Riffians? Coon used to say Riffians were fairer than Iberians. Was he wrong on that too? IIRC, he didn't say they were necessarily fairer, only 'more Nordic'. According to my copy of "The Living Races of Man", Coon writes that Riffians have a 63 % frequency of fair skin (1-9 on the Von Luschan scale) and that a Riffian tribe, the Beni Amart, are slightly fairer in general pigmentation than the majority of Southern Europeans. Funnily enough, even though Coon is maligned by Charlie Bass and other soft or hard-core Afrocentrists, he seems to support their view that the Badarians were part negroid, and that Egyptians have always been part-black.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 5, 2005 16:28:10 GMT -5
What about Riffians? Coon used to say Riffians were fairer than Iberians. Was he wrong on that too? Exactly. he was wrong. Igu you are right. Coon was wrong.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Aug 5, 2005 16:37:55 GMT -5
I had found this a while back..did you guys ever read this one? encyclopedia.jrank.org/RHU_RON/RIFFIANS.htmlor here to: www.1911encyclopedia.org/R/RI/RIFFIANS.htm<<RIFFIANS, the name given to the Berbers of the Rif district of Morocco, the mountain region bordering the north coast from Ceuta eastward nearly to the borders of Algeria and forming part of the Atlas range. The name, it has been suggested, is identical with Libyan or Libi. A peculiarity of the Rlf dialect is the change of the Arabic 1 to r, and this would seem to support this derivation, b and f being interchangeable through v. The Riffians are only nominally subject to the sultan of Morocco, against whose authority they are in constant revolt. They are typical Berbers in physique, tall, well made and muscular, with European features and fair skins bronzed by the sun. In morality they are singularly superior to their neighbors. In order to prevent youthful unchdstity, marriages are contracted between children of eight years old, the girl being brought home to live with the lad at his parents home till a child is born, when a separate dwelling is provided for the youthful couple. The women are noted for their beauty. The Ruffians understand and speak Arabic very little. They were among the fiercest and most cruel of the pirates of the north coast of Africa. Even now they are entirely untrustworthy in this respect. See further BERBERS, MOROCCO, MooRs, KABYLES, MZABITES.>>
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Post by k5125 on Aug 5, 2005 16:38:54 GMT -5
I have yet to see a berber who is lighter than any european.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 5, 2005 16:54:35 GMT -5
Guys, What Coon wanted to say is that SOME riffians are fairier than SOME iberians (the dark ones). He didnt say that ALL riffians are fairier than ALL iberians. For example, you might find a blue-eyed, red haired riffian fairier than, say, Figo the portuguese soccer player.
As usual, Eufrenio knows the answer of most his questions, he just want to make a way to me. Pretty evil, imo!
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 5, 2005 17:06:41 GMT -5
That site is CRAP, ...f*ck CHRISTIANITY! Don't repeat this. Sorry Dienekes; Jesus knows that I do not know what I'm writing. He will forgive me, sure!.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 5, 2005 17:18:40 GMT -5
All of the Kabyle girls in the pic have darker hair than I had when I was their age, and my teacher defined me as a "brunette". Most of my classmates had silvery white or golden hair at that age. "Blondism" really seems to be a relative concept ! First, Mike spoke of a light hair. In my understanding light hair is opposed to dark hair; It inlcudes all the hair colors in between light-brown to blond. I consider redhair as blond too. Second, In that picture you have at least 3 light brunettes--- thus, light haired girls. Of course colors perception, as are all physical perceptions, is region dependant. I bet most italians look dark to you since you come from a region (Finland) well known of being fairier than even Scandinavia. Right!?.
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Post by Igu on Aug 5, 2005 17:25:11 GMT -5
IIRC, he didn't say they were necessarily fairer, only 'more Nordic'. According to my copy of "The Living Races of Man", Coon writes that Riffians have a 63 % frequency of fair skin (1-9 on the Von Luschan scale) and that a Riffian tribe, the Beni Amart, are slightly fairer in general pigmentation than the majority of Southern Europeans. Funnily enough, even though Coon is maligned by Charlie Bass and other soft or hard-core Afrocentrists, he seems to support their view that the Badarians were part negroid, and that Egyptians have always been part-black. Eufrino, there is a big difference between what you said earlier and now, a berber tribe could be lighter than an average southern european, that is very very possible, if coon used scales to get that, I believe him. but still, average Riffians are darker than average southern europeans.
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Post by Igu on Aug 5, 2005 17:28:01 GMT -5
I have yet to see a berber who is lighter than any european. there are thousands of examples, Just ask Berter he can get a pic of a "Nordic" Berber in two seconds, but that's not the point, we are speaking of averages. I know many portuguese guys, most of them are darker than me. but that does not mean that the average Kabyle is Lighter than average south european.
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Post by Igu on Aug 5, 2005 17:32:23 GMT -5
Sorry Dienekes; Jesus knows that I do not know what I'm writing. He will forgive me, sure!. You've just reminded me of an anecdote, 2months ago, I was going home and was a bit drunk, two guys came to me and started speaking about Jesus and all the gayish things that goes with, and then he said "Jesus loves you", I said "I'm not gay!". might not sound funny, but I just wanted to say it.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 5, 2005 17:36:03 GMT -5
Examples: Dark vs Brunette hair colors (by NA standards)1) Brunette Kabyle 2) Brunette Riffian 3) Riffian Kids 4) Atlass Kids
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