Physical Variation of the Mongoloid Race

[mike2]

There is another issue that I would like to address, and that is the placing of the Uralic Mongoloids within me classification system, those slanty-eyed folk who lent their blood to the UP's to form the type core of the Lapps and Ladogans. Because of their general proximity to the other Tungids on that genetic map there, I'm thinking a branch of Tungid though it could just as easily be its own group, as Kazakh girl conjectures the Turkics to be.

[kiengi]

Nice try folks. In my opinion, there really is no such thing as "mongoloid" race.

One can only speak of the subtle differences between the N.E Asians and S.E. Asians, Also N.E. Asians and Central,West Asians.

If One must insist upon uniquness, N.E. Asia is, according to the out of africa migration theory, where all three migration paths converged.

In that sense, Africans are the oldest human kind , then the Caucasians, and N.E. Asians the youngest and newest. N.E. Asians with eyelid folds and smallish nose and flat profile says it all.

[kiengi]

Human2 ( unimaginative id ? )

Mongol marker:

There was a field study done by group of Japanese population genetisicst. They found a genetic marker found in Mongol people who are living in presentday central Mogolia. Presence of this marker was tested in the most of China proper and neighboring countries, and also in N. and S. America.

Northern Chinese have this marker but it gradually decreases moving to southern China and disapears. Koreans have slightly less than Japanese. Surprising find was, people of Peru in S. America has storng presence of this marker as in Japanese.

Ancient Vietnam:

Chinese historical source states that as late as 16th century, most of the people in vietnam resembled S. indian type of looks, dravidians. That is before Han Chinese expansion into indo-china.

Hindu Kush:

There is mountain valley pass called " D'zungarian gap" (spell ) that might be used by ancient migrator. Marked, M175 in Spencer Well's book, The Journey of man.

The Journey of man:

This whole 275 page book boils down to two things the Author trying to say:

1) Modern European and West Asians are not the descendents of Neanderthal
2) American Indians are genetically closer to European, than E. Asians

[kiengi]

my statements were very consistent based on my correct knowledge of the subject matter and hypothesis.

I mentioned Mongol marker to dispute generalized "mongoloid." Supposedly 10 -15 % of the world population are considered "black or negroid" and 60 -70% are "white or caucasoid including austroid" and the remainder are bundled into "yellow or mongoloid" ?

I mentioned Austroid influences in Vietnam, from historical perspective, eye witness. And there were 3 migration path to NE Asia, including the Hindu Kush pass. Upto 30% of Korean has M175 marker and Korean also has sporadic Sanskrit vocabulary in their language still today.

Lineage, according to Spencer Wells book,

M45 -> M242 -> M3 (Amerind )

M45 -> M173 -> M17 ( European )

M9 -> M175 -> M122 ( NE Asian )

[kiengi]

human2 said:

Furthermore, since I read Wells, he makes no distinction between M9-derived M45 and M214/O and N (your M175 ancestor). He calls them the Eurasian steppe people and while postulating a more southerly route through the Altai for M214/M175 and a more northerly turn for M45/Q, they are both the Eurasian steppe hunters to him, and he does mention that no differentiation among moderns can be found beyond 30,000, which is true.

If you are PrismKnight7, my experience with you is that you deliberately distort the facts to fit your agenda. Your sole raison etre seems to be trolling in Asian forums to encourage division and flames, making topics such as 'Who is more primitive" and Chinese: two separate races, one dark and one light" and "Koreans are from India" (Actually Koreans are the most "Mongoloid" in appearance after certain Altaic peoples). It's pathetic. Get a life.

I am just copying verbatum of what Spencer Wells wrote on his book, the Journey of man. If you have found mistakes or outdated information, please contact Wells, if you wish.

www.2blowhards.com/archives/001418.html

I had not used any other IDs on this forum. U Got it wrong !

I usualy don't dignify your kind with reply but seems you can be salvagable. lean some polite manners and be a Cybergent rather than Cybernaut.

N.E. Asians are proud to be associated, and share common genetic background with people of Mongolia. Too bad Mongol conquest of Genghis Khan was written by mostly sore losers, tainting the achievements of Mongols. But "Mongoloid" term is/was over generalized.

Well written book about Khan:

www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0609610627/qid=1112139504/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-3328477-3022208?v=glance&s=books&n=507846