Physical Variation of the Mongoloid Race

[Kazakhgirl]

Very informative human2.

I had a discussion with one guy lately, who attributed Central Asians to Turanids, which he did not classify as Mongoloids. I, myself consider some Central Asians (Kazakhs, Kyrgyz) Mongoloid, not sub race or mixed race. What is your opinion? What kind of materials could you suggest?

[Kazakhgirl]

thank You for taking time and responding to me. I really appreciate. I guess there is no easy way and no stright answer.

[NuSapiens]

The picture for Central Asia is rather complex. There is genetic influence flowing from many directions: from the Middle East, from NW Europe, from India, from China/East Asia, and also very ancient local influence from the first humans who entered continental Eurasia.

Genetic studies suggest that Turks in Turkey are mostly Anatolian, with minor influence from Central Asia (less than 25%, and often less than 5-10% in most cases).

[Kazakhgirl]

hi, I got a it. I'm relatively new here so I did not see it at first.

Yep, those poeple on photos look Asian, but more ancient. I'm not strong in SE Asian classification at all. i'm more into Scytheans/kypchaks/etc. all this stuff. But i'm really curious about different cultures and ethnicities.

[Kazakhgirl]

I went to facial analyzer website and it is so bogus!!! It classifies most Asians as chinese/Japanese /koreans. Some are classified as SE Asians. My grandmother who is turanid was classified as 100% SE Asian. I do not know, but she does not look SE for me.

www.eva.ru/pictures/album_photos/325778.jpg?1106707551609

[Melnorme]

Better than Face Analyzer :

www.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~morph/Transformer/

[Kazakhgirl]

it looks fun, but it did not work on my computer. I don't have some Java plug ins

[Melnorme]

human2 said:

This is so cool.. I'm gonna go see what I look like as a black man.

Feel free to post your results :

www.photobucket.com/

[mike2]

Great info and I'll take it piece by piece, starting with "Qiangic." Qiangic type, eh? Never heard of it. Are most Tibetans and Burmese of this type or is it a minority like the Ainu is in Japan?

I searched google for "Tibetan" and here's what I've garnered:





















Is it just me or do these people slightly resemble Amerindians? Moreso than any other Mongoloids I've seen.

I'm assuming most of these people are hybridized with Australoids. It seems like EVERY Mongoloid type south of China is hybridized with Australoids.


This one looks especially hybridized. For such a little-talked about and unassuming race the Australoids seem to be very important.

Could you explain the Sinid/Tungid types to me in detail, human2? I mainly want to know who's Tungid and who's not and who's Sinid and who's not. Are they actual types corresponding to Arctic for Tungid and Classic Mongoloid for Sinid or are they just generalizations of Mongoloid appearance?

[gambler32]

some of the tibetians look amerindian

[mike2]

Woah, I just totally had an epiphany. Scheele's Classic Mongoloid type doesn't have anything to do with the Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, stereotypical East Asians at all! It's his way of saying Tungid! I went back to the library earlier today and got some more info on his types. I took one look at the range of his Classic Mongoloid type instead of just looking at the stupid picture (which is what made me think Chinese/Korean/Japanese but then I realized my mistake). Consider this stuff he says about the types:

1.) Indonesian-Malay
-carries blood of Mongoloid, Ainu, Negrito, & Mediterranean Types (don't look at me, I don't know where he's getting Ainu or Mediterranean from)
-Range: South China, Burma, Thailand, Indochina, Malaysia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, Taiwan, Madagascar (basically represents the forebearer of the Mongoloid element in all of southeast Asia)

2.) Arctic
-range: Arctic North America, northeastern Siberia (basically where the Eskimos and Paleosiberians live)

3.) Classic Mongoloid
-range: Siberia, north China, Mongolia, Tibet (basically the Tungid types)

4.) American Indian
-carries blood of Mongoloid, Iranian Plateau, Australoid, & minor parts of Negrito types (we know of course now that the Irano-Afghan had nothing to do with the formation of the hawk-nose but he is on the right track mentioning the Australoid)
1.) Broad-Headed Amerindian Type
a.) Hawk-Nosed Broad-Headed Amerindian
b.) Snub-Nosed Broad-Headed Amerindian
2.) Long-Headed Amerindian Type
a.) Hawk-Nosed Long-Headed Amerindian
b.) Snub-Nosed Long-Headed Amerindian
-range: North, Central, and South America

Even though Scheele mentions the Tungids in the form of Classic Mongoloid, he doesn't say anything about Sinids. Maybe he thought that Classic Mongoloid embraced both groups. He also apparently felt the Arctic type was separate from the Tungid type, though for our purposes it can probably be combined.

[NuSapiens]

Maybe the "hawk noses" of many Amerinds originated from early peoples of South Asia. Note the nose shape typically associated with India. Genetic admixture analysis also finds an unexplained link between India and the Americas.

nusapiens.blogspot.com/2005/02/map-world-biogeographic-diversity-as.html

I also wouldn't rule out influence from West Eurasians via the Iranian plateau.

[gambler32]

what do the malays of MADAGASCAR look like?

[mike2]

gambler32 said:

what do the malays of MADAGASCAR look like?

Scheele is referring to the Malagasys who settled the island. Now they are much mixed with black Africans.

[Yaaaahhh]

I've seen pictures of malays on Madagascar before, and some looks more Mongoloid.