Prussians-Germans-Slavs

[Anja]

i'm curious if anyone knows anything about slavic admixture in prussia? many germans from prussia had germanized slavic names or vice versa, ex: lemke, peske, gramzow, but was there any genetic mixing between the two groups?

[One Humanity]

Into the Western German Ruhrgebiet near the Rhine immigrated many Poles too, some centuries ago.

A schoolfriend of mine may be an example, he had a Slavic surname but no more relation to the Slavic countries in any way (except imitating Romanians for a lark sometimes).

Imagine the guy in the Middle of this plate with Faelid admixture, that's him:
img5.imgspot.com/?u=04/248/20/carpathian.jpg

But back to the topic..

Famous Prussians:

Klaus Kinski (saw himself as a Slav) and his daughter:
images.google.com/images?hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=kinski&btnG=Suche

Günther Grass:
images.google.com/images?q=g%C3%BCnther%20grass&hl=de&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi



Concerning my own ex-ethnicity, the Sudetendeutsche, you can check some famous people from there and how they looked:
sudetengermans.freeyellow.com/famous.html


Also a "Sudetische Rasse" was postulated by Günther. And although the term Sudeten was only used for the Germans there, these people were a mix between the German immigrants and few locals. The guy who posted the whole info about the race said it was meant more wider spread.

forum.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=13265

[pconroy]

calico said:

i'm curious if anyone knows anything about slavic admixture in prussia? many germans from prussia had germanized slavic names or vice versa, ex: lemke, peske, gramzow, but was there any genetic mixing between the two groups?

The Prus were a Baltic people, who became germanized as Prussians. The descendants of large landowners in Prussia (Junkers?) would have been German, the rest Baltic.

[Anja]

thanx...haha my grandfather says he's 100% german, but i can't wait to tell him he's probably got more slavic/baltic than he thinks...so did many germans move across to prussia and settle, or were the junkers mostly in control of germanized serfs? i really need a book on prussian history that doesn't exclusively focus on the fredericks...

[One Humanity]

Possible. I just don't favor to tell the story around because right wingers have their own version and there are more important things to argue with them.

pconroy said:

the rest Baltic.

Not necessarily genetical or phenotypical, as there had been Goths too.

[Polako]

East Prussians were a mix of original Baltic Prussians, Masurians and Masovians (Slavic tribes), German settlers, mostly Lower Saxons but also Franks, and Hollanders.

West Prussians were mostly Obodrites (Slavic East German tribe), Pomeranians (today in Poland known as Kaszubs), Polanie (the properr Polish tribe), Sorbs (the only Slavic tribe left in Germany), and German settlers.

The Gothic contribution to west and east Prussia, as well as Poland, is hard to measure. Most of the Goths left the area to go south and east, and those who stayed behing mixed with Slavic tribes (Pomeranians and Poles).

It's not true that the aristocracy in Prussia was German, while the "serfs" were Baltic and Slavic. There were no serfs in Prussia as such, and many of the top people had slavic names, such as Von Kunowski and Von Below.

Today, many Germans have name endings like -ski, -icz, -itz, -ow, -ske, -cke, -cki, -tzke...These are all names of Slavic origin.

Gunther Grass is of German/Kaszub descent. While it sounds like Klaus Kinski might be of Masurian origin.

Btw, East Prussia was one of the blondest regions of Germany.

[zeugeniu]

A schoolfriend of mine may be an example, he had a Slavic surname but no more relation to the Slavic countries in any way (except imitating Romanians for a lark sometimes).

Whats that? are you confusing Romanians with Slavs?

[One Humanity]

zeugeniu said:

Whats that? are you confusing Romanians with Slavs?

Okay, but they're Eastern European at least.