New World obesity

[Crimson Guard]

its Cool national pride,but it sometimes over does things to the extreme and makes problems,like all the confusion and retaliation!

But I wanst calling him a liar,I just thought/felt he was over-generalizing abit to much and putting in personal feelings.Sides I had the little faces their,which implied humor(ie not to be taken Seriously)

[alex221166]

Really is that fact?! To me its yet another bold, unsubstantiated statement without merit!

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/03/010322074643.htm

www.gentlebirth.org/archives/cowprdib.html

Did you even read your own sources?

Michael Dosch has determined that multiple sclerosis and type I (juvenile) diabetes mellitus are far more closely linked than previously thought, including the role cow milk protein plays as a risk factor in the development of both diseases for people who are genetically susceptible.




Now tell me: how many people do you think are genetically susceptible to diabetes?

The only thing I know about Lactose intolerance is that it affects as many as 50 to 70% of people from an Asian, African, Native American, Eastern Europe or Mediterranean ethnic backgrounds. People with Northern or Western European ethnic backgrounds are far less likely to experience this intolerance.

I'am sure Portugal has lactose Intolerance issue's far more than what your letting on to me,unless maybe their moslty Nordic germanic now,and displaced the ancient natives of yesteryear!

Well, let me tell you that I don't know of anyone that has lactose intolerance. Not even one! The original inhabitants of the Iberian peninsula based their diet on dairy products (namely goat milk, cheese, etc).

But hey, that doesn't even matter, I just found stats in a Brazilian site that say that less than 25% of the Europeans/European descended people have lactose intolerance (compared with 90% of Asians, for instance):

www.abcdasaude.com.br/artigo.php?269

Nos EUA, um a cada quatro ou cinco adultos pode sofrer de algum grau de intolerância ao leite. Os descendentes brancos de europeus têm uma incidência menor de 25%, enquanto que na população de origem asiática o problema alcança 90%. Nos afro-americanos, nos índios e nos judeus, bem como nos mexicanos, a intolerância à lactose alcança níveis maiores que 50% dos indivíduos.

As such, when I tell you that i don't know of anyone with lactose intolerance, I am certainly not lying - especially when milk has been for milemnia so important in the Iberian diet.

So please, the next time you decide to call my claims "unsubstantiated" or "without merit", at least do your research properly. Some of your sources were ridiculously alarmist, while others were ok (but your interpretation was incorrect).

Furthermore, one thing I didn't know (and found out while doing MY research) is that there is presently a type of cow milk that is tolerated by lactose intolerant people, so even those can enjoy the health benefits of drinking milk all their lives.

[Vitor]

milk without lactose "sugar" is not milk for me...

[Crimson Guard]

listen Alex the point is it has been linked to diabetes by doctors,period ok its fact,and like i said thats the point.


You can accept it or not I dont care,but it has been LINKED,and simly pointing it put.

So you can argue out all the points with me over and over again and whatever,its not going to change the current data found!

Since your not a doctor nor have you a degree or made any discoveries in the last few minutes,you cant speak to me in facts and tell i'am wrong,with nothing but your opinion or perception on a certain matter, when I'am sighting/posting real research on the subject.

Ok Nit-picking every little thing/detail,by para-phraising what you like while leaving out the rest, is not going to bolster your position!

Nowhere in this topic did i ever make it like i knew all the answers,if fact i even at one time,mentioned that some research has been conflicting.But like I said Cows milk has been LINKED to certain disease's, it s been proven!

But I'am not here to fight or bicker like a little child.So you dont agree with me or the science fine ,its cool.

[Vitor]

It's not necessary to be an rocket scientist to know that milk can produce diabetes...

Lactose is another type of sugar, too much sugar obvioulsy can make health problems (like diabetes)

[pconroy]

Kukul-Kan said:

How do you explain there are more lactose intolerant adults in England than in Spain, even though the former is significantly more ‘Nordic’ than the latter?

England 32%
Spain 15%

Even Finland is more lactose intolerant than Spain, but in this case for a smaller margin.

anthro.palomar.edu/adapt/adapt_5.htm

I am Irish and Lactose Intolerant, but my mother has some distant English ancestry, and many of my ralatives on her side of the family are also Lactose Intolerant.

However the English ancestry is from Lancashire in Northern England, an area where Sarmatians (Iranian tribe from modern day Ukraine area) are known to have settled, so this may account for that. She also has Blood group B, which is extremely rare in Ireland, but common in Eastern Europe.

Also, I think areas where dairying and dairy products (especially cheese) were traditionally consumed would show lesser Lactose Intolerance. So I expect France, Holland, Switzerland and parts of India would have little of this.

[alex221166]

CrimsonGuard said:

listen Alex the point is it has been linked to diabetes by doctors,period ok its fact,and like i said thats the point.

Any sugar, when excessive in one's diet, can cause diabetes. Now the thing is, the chances of you getting diabetes from drink three or four glasses of milk everyday are the same that you have from putting one or two lumps of sugar in your coffee.

Now, if you add to those lumps some 20 donuts, a bucket of icecream and keep an unhealthy diet, you will definitely get sick in a matter of years. Blame it on those two lumps of sugar.

[Kukul-Kan]

Vitor said:

Mexico 83 % intolerance!

Kukul-Kan, is that true?
I thought there was more Iberian blood in the common mexican...

The level of admixture does not depend on the percentage of lactose intolerant adults though.

The MA individuals examined in this study resided in Northern California and defined themselves as Mexican American. Thus, this population is slightly different than other Hispanic populations described to date, which include individuals from Arizona and from Texas (Chakraborty and Weiss 1986; Long et al. 1991). The average admixture estimates for these MA range from 22% AI to 50% AI. MA individuals in the present study had AI contributions varying from 10 to 80% AI, suggesting that there is likely to be at least as much variability in admixture ratios within a MA sub-population as between them.


www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000436.html


The level of Caucasoid admixture among Mexican Mestizos deppends on geography and socio-economic status mainly.

[deuceswild]

Your article on milk mentions the fact that it is Type I diabetes which may be a causal factor. The difference between Type I and II is that type I is caused by an autoimmune response which eventually destroys the pancreatic beta cells which produce insulin. Type II is a result of total insulin resistance. So it's not the lactose that's responsible for diabetes per se, but something else that may come into play. Lactose has a weak effect on insulin anyways. Personally, I'm not convinced that milk has much of an effect on your chances of developing diabetes. Medical studies have a tendency to become outdated in a matter of years or even months. Remember the acrylimide scare? Another one that I remember from the top of my head was a study done in the eighties that claimed that coffee could cause pancreatic cancer. I don't drink much milk myself, but alot of the anti-milk movement is alarmist (though they do bring up good points about how cattle and other livestock are being pumped full of growth hormone and chemicals these days).

That being said...stay the hell away from high-fructose corn syrup. That's a sure way of eventually developing diabetes.