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Post by eufrenio on Apr 25, 2004 8:26:38 GMT -5
Some *real white* people especially in the U.S. of A., would say that the Spanish and the Portuguese are not fully white but are in fact niggers of Europe, because they do look not as white as those people imagine whites should look like. Here we have situation in reverse - some people of African ancestry either do LOOK or do not look sufficiently Negroid to you. The way one "looks like" is not exact science. Of course not, but there are countless studies about racial admixture in the Americas. There are very few pure Negrids. The exact situation in reverse, though, would be an African Negrid saying Blacks in the Americas are mixed and not his people.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 25, 2004 8:31:21 GMT -5
Steve Sailer is a serious writer, I see no reason I shouldn´t cite him. Sometimes I get the gut feeling that you do not like Americans at all! Am I wrong? ;D Yes, I'm tired of Berschneider completely discounting a legitimate source just because it's 'American'. That's not a constructive approach. Also, stop pretending to hate America because it's 'evil'. You ( Berschneider ) hate America because you feel it is acting against Europe's interests.
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Post by berschneider on Apr 25, 2004 8:45:15 GMT -5
Berschneider, the experiment you mention sounds a very good idea to me! I am a scientist at heart! You can learn to swim in a pond or in a river, lacking a swimming poool, like my grand-father did. I do no deny the cultural or sociological factors involved, but you know, you can easily measure corporal density and buoyancy. When people say that Negrids are poor swimmers, it´s an empirical statement, and a population statistic. The fact that some Blacks can swim doesn´t disprove that the majority cannot. Steve Sailer is a serious writer, I see no reason I shouldn´t cite him. Sometimes I get the gut feeling that you do not like Americans at all! Am I wrong? ;D Where are you from, Berschneider, so I can ramble about your countrymen´s shortcomings? You should also check out www.gnxp.com. Eufrenio, I am not making any fund of Spaniards shortcomings because I don’t believe lack of ice fishing experts is a major shortcoming. In any case, I will agree with your point that blacks can’t swim if you show me any link to a credible independent scientific source that is not tainted by racism or ideology that would say that blacks can’t swim. Otherwise, it’s just nonsense. As of Americans – there are some decent ones (most of them are either dead or are very old), but overall you are right, although to say that I don’t like them would be a great understatement. I despise them. Not individually of course – some individuals are totally fine – but as a group, nation, culture and everything they mean and stand for, I despise them (although I sympathize with American blacks and I tend to like American Hispanics).
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Post by berschneider on Apr 25, 2004 8:52:54 GMT -5
Yes, I'm tired of Berschneider completely discounting a legitimate source just because it's 'American'. That's not a constructive approach. Also, stop pretending to hate America because it's 'evil'. You ( Berschneider ) hate America because you feel it is acting against Europe's interests. Melnorme - America is positively evil and it is enemy of Europe too. So you are right on both counts. As of discounting legitimate scientific source, well this Steve Sailer (http://www.isteve.com/index.htm) is not a legitimate impartial source. Read titles from his scientific writings (same page): Limits of Libertarianism and March Madness on Campus. This is just ideology pure and simple.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 25, 2004 9:00:37 GMT -5
Melnorme - America is positively evil and it is enemy of Europe too. So you are right on both counts. Ah, so do you think anybody who is against Europe is inherently evil? ;D I wasn't speaking specifically of Steve Sailer, but yes, you're right. He is a conservative journalist, not a scientist. He does however report the findings of scientists, with a non-PC twist that makes for a thought-provoking read, at the very least.
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Post by Graeme on Apr 25, 2004 11:11:04 GMT -5
Competitive swimming requires strong parental input from a young age: driving children to training at early hours of the morning, special diets, time to attend competitions, altered school timetables and study regimes, money for training fees, money to travel to swimming venues and so on. It has different requirements than football, hockey, weight lifting etc. The Australian swimmer Ian Thorpe was hot news when he was 16, now he is old hat. Competitive swimming is for the young. I can't imagine too many Africans, Indians, Inuits, Argentinians with the access to what is required to turn out professional swimmers, and it is harder to be at the top compared to basketball, football, sprinting and other sports that American blacks excell at. What is the payoff for blacks to take up swimming?
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Post by Afro on Apr 25, 2004 22:13:28 GMT -5
Competitive swimming requires strong parental input from a young age: driving children to training at early hours of the morning, special diets, time to attend competitions, altered school timetables and study regimes, money for training fees, money to travel to swimming venues and so on. It has different requirements than football, hockey, weight lifting etc. The Australian swimmer Ian Thorpe was hot news when he was 16, now he is old hat. Competitive swimming is for the young. I can't imagine too many Africans, Indians, Inuits, Argentinians with the access to what is required to turn out professional swimmers, and it is harder to be at the top compared to basketball, football, sprinting and other sports that American blacks excell at. What is the payoff for blacks to take up swimming? Exactly what I think. Its just like tennis, golf, ice skating, hockey, etc etc etc. Its not that blacks CAN'T compete in them, its just that we DON'T. Look at how well we excel in Basketball, Football, Track And Field, Boxing, Baseball (Not as much, but still more then 12 percent of the MLB, and the home run king is black), Soccer (Same as baseball), now take that athleticism and give him a racket and polo shirt! I could very much seeing a guy built like and with the mindset of Micheal Jordan dominating tennis or swimming. I was watching a Chris Rock stand up the other night, and he was like "As soon as y'all heat up the ice rink we will take that over too".
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Post by Abelard on Apr 26, 2004 1:43:16 GMT -5
Competitive swimming requires strong parental input from a young age: driving children to training at early hours of the morning, special diets, time to attend competitions, altered school timetables and study regimes, money for training fees, money to travel to swimming venues and so on. It has different requirements than football, hockey, weight lifting etc. The Australian swimmer Ian Thorpe was hot news when he was 16, now he is old hat. Competitive swimming is for the young. I can't imagine too many Africans, Indians, Inuits, Argentinians with the access to what is required to turn out professional swimmers, and it is harder to be at the top compared to basketball, football, sprinting and other sports that American blacks excell at. What is the payoff for blacks to take up swimming? Good points. Also NCAA Division I schools offer very few athletic scholarships for swimming.
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Post by eufrenio on Apr 26, 2004 7:42:06 GMT -5
Competitive swimming requires strong parental input from a young age: driving children to training at early hours of the morning, special diets, time to attend competitions, altered school timetables and study regimes, money for training fees, money to travel to swimming venues and so on. It has different requirements than football, hockey, weight lifting etc. The Australian swimmer Ian Thorpe was hot news when he was 16, now he is old hat. Competitive swimming is for the young. I can't imagine too many Africans, Indians, Inuits, Argentinians with the access to what is required to turn out professional swimmers, and it is harder to be at the top compared to basketball, football, sprinting and other sports that American blacks excell at. What is the payoff for blacks to take up swimming? I agree, although the original point of the thread was the ability to swim at all, not competitive levels.
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Post by berschneider on Apr 26, 2004 17:12:54 GMT -5
I agree, although the original point of the thread was the ability to swim at all, not competitive levels. You mean that (some or all) blacks are biologically incapable of swimming? The fact is some people, including young people, in some cultures don't swim much. Or are you implying that blacks can't swim because they are in some way defective - just "can't" swim (read the title of this thread).
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Post by Nincada on Apr 27, 2004 0:08:55 GMT -5
Some *real white* people especially in the U.S. of A., would say that the Spanish and the Portuguese are not fully white but are in fact niggers of Europe, because they do look not as white as those people imagine whites should look like. Here we have situation in reverse - some people of African ancestry either do LOOK or do not look sufficiently Negroid to you. The way one "looks like" is not exact science. What is your definition of a "real white person" or who do you consider to be a "real white person"? Some "real white people" in the US resemble the Spanish and the Portuguese. Are you an American? "Real white people" can vary in looks. I would guess there would be some very good black swimmers because blacks vary in their stature and weight distributions like whites do. Olympian swimmers have a tendency to be very tall averaging 6'0" - 6' 6" for males and 5'10" to 6'2" for females.
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Post by eufrenio on Apr 27, 2004 7:15:43 GMT -5
You mean that (some or all) blacks are biologically incapable of swimming? The fact is some people, including young people, in some cultures don't swim much. Or are you implying that blacks can't swim because they are in some way defective - just "can't" swim (read the title of this thread). My position is that there´s enough scientific evidence that points out that Negrids are disadvantaged physically for swimming, compared to other people.
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Post by Silveira on Apr 27, 2004 7:33:04 GMT -5
Blacks may have some physical disadvantages with regards to swimming. Nevertheless I believe the main factor to consider in this question would be the virtual non-existance of swimming facilities (whuch are expensive to build and maintain) in the low-income neigbourhoods and ghettos where most black Americans live as well as the impopularity of swimming as a sporting activity amongst US blacks when compared to other less expensive sports such as basketball.
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Post by Silveira on Apr 27, 2004 7:34:27 GMT -5
From the photos I have seen some of the "real white people" who like to bash the Portuguese the most would not look out of place in Portugal.
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Post by eufrenio on Apr 27, 2004 8:22:59 GMT -5
Blacks may have some physical disadvantages with regards to swimming. Nevertheless I believe the main factor to consider in this question would be the virtual non-existance of swimming facilities (whuch are expensive to build and maintain) in the low-income neigbourhoods and ghettos where most black Americans live as well as the impopularity of swimming as a sporting activity amongst US blacks when compared to other less expensive sports such as basketball. I did not have USA Blacks specifically in mind. In (West) Africa you can swim in rivers , ponds and lakes, and still the locals are not very good at swimming. In fact, I have personally met more actual Africans than the US brand. From anecdoctal observation, I have never seen anybody sink faster in a pool than a Congolan I knew. They had to fish him out of the bottom, he emerged dark green in the face.
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