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Post by Afro on Apr 8, 2004 11:36:25 GMT -5
Anyone have any statistics? I know "Hispanic" is a broad word but thats exactly how I intended it to be. I mean anything from Mexico, to Chile. Including Puerto Rico, El salvador, etc etc etc. Any data anyone has on this would be helpful for a discussion I'm having on another board about latin American countries.
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Post by Scoob on Apr 8, 2004 15:32:44 GMT -5
Anyone have any statistics? I know "Hispanic" is a broad word but thats exactly how I intended it to be. I mean anything from Mexico, to Chile. Including Puerto Rico, El salvador, etc etc etc. Any data anyone has on this would be helpful for a discussion I'm having on another board about latin American countries. Check out Dienekes' blog. www.dienekes.com/blogI think he has some info on this there. I know Mexicans assimilated a lot of blacks, and I think this helped "soften" their features in many cases (rounder/fleshier features), maybe 5-10% on average.
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Post by Afro on Apr 8, 2004 16:32:12 GMT -5
Check out Dienekes' blog. www.dienekes.com/blogI think he has some info on this there. I know Mexicans assimilated a lot of blacks, and I think this helped "soften" their features in many cases (rounder/fleshier features), maybe 5-10% on average. Thanks for the response and link, I'm still searching for the specific information I'm looking for.
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Post by Requiem on Apr 12, 2004 7:52:56 GMT -5
There are too many Latin Amercian Countries, each one is a different melting pot. So it won't be teh same for everyone as anyone can be hispanic if that is your culture.
Mexcio = mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1%
Chile = white and white-Amerindian 95%, Amerindian 3%, other 2%
Puerto Rico = white (mostly Spanish origin) 80.5%, black 8%, Amerindian 0.4%, Asian 0.2%, mixed and other 10.9%
El salvador = mestizo 90%, Amerindian 1%, white 9%
A few other well know ones :
Argentina = white (mostly Spanish and Italian) 97%, mestizo, Amerindian, or other nonwhite groups 3%
Cuba = mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1%
Dominican Republic = white 16%, black 11%, mixed 73%
Uruguay = white 88%, mestizo 8%, black 4%, Amerindian, practically nonexistent
Colombia = mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1%
Venezuela = Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Arab, German, African, indigenous people
Peru = Amerindian 45%, mestizo (mixed Amerindian and white) 37%, white 15%, black, Japanese, Chinese, and other 3%
and just for the heck of it :
Brazil = white (includes Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish) 55%, mixed white and black 38%, black 6%, other (includes Japanese, Arab, Amerindian) 1%
United States = white 77.1%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1.5%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.3%, other 4% (2000) note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent (including persons of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin) living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.)
Portugal = homogeneous Mediterranean stock; citizens of black African descent who immigrated to mainland during decolonization number less than 100,000; since 1990 East Europeans have entered Portugal
Spain = composite of Mediterranean and Nordic types
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Post by buddyrydell on Apr 12, 2004 17:52:46 GMT -5
Question: Do most Mexican and Central American mestizos have more Indigenous blood than European? It seems to me that most "mestizos" look predominantly Indigenous, although I have seen lighter-skinned mestizos as well.
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Post by Requiem on Apr 12, 2004 19:27:10 GMT -5
Question: Do most Mexican and Central American mestizos have more Indigenous blood than European? It seems to me that most "mestizos" look predominantly Indigenous, although I have seen lighter-skinned mestizos as well. It depends on the person, lighter skinned mestizos can get deep sun tans and look like darker skin ones. The big difference is that darker skin ones were born that way and are always like that, while teh lighter skin ones can lose their dark skin if they move somewhere else that isn't as sunny. There are different levels of mestizos. As seen here : www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/americans.html
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Post by buddyrydell on Apr 13, 2004 0:40:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the input, so are most Mexican/Cent. American mestizos lighter-skinned or darker-skinned? Judging by both skin color and facial features, most seem to look more Indigenous, and indeed many Mexican-Americans have indeed come to believe themselves that the bulk of mestizos in their countries are really actually fully Hispanicized Indians or near pure-Indians with little Spanish or other European blood. Many are quite proud of their Aztec/Mayan roots. What does everyone here think?
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Post by Requiem on Apr 13, 2004 7:12:50 GMT -5
Pure Indians do exist and they do not speak Spanish and they are look down upon by most mestizos. Some might be just wishful thinking as they are ashamed of their euro roots. You know like how African Americans consider themselves pure black or just black, even if they are clearly mixed, since very few look like real West Africans. Those who are mostly Native should have every right to claim it, IMHO. I am not Mexcian, so maybe I shouldn't talk for them, but's that's my take on it.
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Post by Afro on Apr 13, 2004 16:39:03 GMT -5
There are too many Latin Amercian Countries, each one is a different melting pot. So it won't be teh same for everyone as anyone can be hispanic if that is your culture. Mexcio = mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1% Chile = white and white-Amerindian 95%, Amerindian 3%, other 2% Puerto Rico = white (mostly Spanish origin) 80.5%, black 8%, Amerindian 0.4%, Asian 0.2%, mixed and other 10.9% El salvador = mestizo 90%, Amerindian 1%, white 9% A few other well know ones : Argentina = white (mostly Spanish and Italian) 97%, mestizo, Amerindian, or other nonwhite groups 3% Cuba = mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1% Dominican Republic = white 16%, black 11%, mixed 73% Uruguay = white 88%, mestizo 8%, black 4%, Amerindian, practically nonexistent Colombia = mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1% Venezuela = Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Arab, German, African, indigenous people Peru = Amerindian 45%, mestizo (mixed Amerindian and white) 37%, white 15%, black, Japanese, Chinese, and other 3% and just for the heck of it : Brazil = white (includes Portuguese, German, Italian, Spanish, Polish) 55%, mixed white and black 38%, black 6%, other (includes Japanese, Arab, Amerindian) 1% United States = white 77.1%, black 12.9%, Asian 4.2%, Amerindian and Alaska native 1.5%, native Hawaiian and other Pacific islander 0.3%, other 4% (2000) note: a separate listing for Hispanic is not included because the US Census Bureau considers Hispanic to mean a person of Latin American descent (including persons of Cuban, Mexican, or Puerto Rican origin) living in the US who may be of any race or ethnic group (white, black, Asian, etc.) Portugal = homogeneous Mediterranean stock; citizens of black African descent who immigrated to mainland during decolonization number less than 100,000; since 1990 East Europeans have entered Portugal Spain = composite of Mediterranean and Nordic types Thanks for all this info, you got any sources???
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Post by Requiem on Apr 13, 2004 17:20:53 GMT -5
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Post by sticazzi on Apr 26, 2004 19:26:23 GMT -5
I'd just like to add that the census figures for all countries in the Americas/Caribbean, are only really useful for indicating how people identify themselves, so it's a pretty rough indicator of actual racial composition. I don't think we'll ever know with any real accuracy, until someone takes genetic samples of the populations of such countries. For example a lot of 'white' Brazilians are part Black, a lot of 'Black' Brazilians are part White, and also quite a lot of Brazilians (whether identified as White, Black, or Mulatto) are part Amerindian amongst other things (whereas Mexico is White-Amerindian/Mixed, with a small yet significant Black admixture). Also you need to be careful with the interpreting the definitions from the census. Colombia is a good example: mestizo 58%, white 20%, mulatto 14%, black 4%, mixed black-Amerindian 3%, Amerindian 1% I'd say 'Mestizo' in this case means literally 'Mixed' rather than 'Mixed White-Amerindian', I'd say this group consists mostly of obvious Tri-racials (White-Amerindian-Black mixes), due to the significant size of the Black & Mixed Black identified population. As for Puerto Rico & Dominican Republic: (*) In the Dominican Republic, locally known as "Quisqueya" (Taíno. "The Great Island"), the mulatto population has absorbed the small number of Taino Amerindian strains once present in that country. In Puerto Rico, locally known as "Borinquen" (Taíno. "The Land of the Mighty Lord"), a historic mestizo population absorbed the small number of Taíno Amerindians once present, these mestizos were then themselves absorbed by the larger mulatto population.- Source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MulattoI think a lot more than 20% of Puerto Ricans have a significant proportion of African or Taino ancestry. I'd say basically every South American country has significant African influences. Those on the West coast (like Peru, Bolivia, Chile), and Argentina probably have the least African influence. The East coast (i.e. Brazil, especially North East parts of Brazil) has the most African influence. The North, i.e. the Guyanas (like Guyana, Suriname, Fr. Guinea) and West Indies (mainly Trinidad) is probably the most racially diverse you can get, and has the most East Indian & Other Asian/Arab influence (although numerically *very* small when compared to White, Black, and Amerindian influence) in Latin America. Rest of the countries in South America (i.e. Colombia, Venezuela) vary over these 'relative' racial extemities. Central America & Mexico is mostly White-Amerindian. Looking at maps & figures for the Slave-Trade can give you an idea of the scale of African influence in the Americas, and quite a few countries in the Americas have historical time records, with census figures over the centuries, that may help.
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Post by Requiem on Apr 26, 2004 20:01:50 GMT -5
Within 70 years of the conquest of Puerto Rico, there were no more full blooded Natives. When the US took over PR from Spain, they kicked out many Puerto Ricans and many others left to the United States up until the 1930's, nearly all of these were Afro-Puerto Ricans and Mulattos since they were the poorest and most misthreated on the island, they were the quickest to leave. To this day most Puerto Ricans living in New York are either Black or mixed with black. While there are some white Puerto Ricans living there, they always get odd reactions when people find out what they are, I have seen it happen a few times. Puerto Rico is a completely different story. Black Puerto Ricans are extremely rare on the island. Except for one place : Loíza Called "El Pueblo de la Cacica", Loíza was proclaimed a town officially in 1692. Loiza was named in honor of Yuisa or Luisa, one of the women caciques on the island when the Spanish conquerors arrived. Settled by Nigerian slaves of the Yoruba tribe in the 16th century, Loíza is a center for African-inspired traditions, retaining one of the highest percentages of African descendants of all island towns. Among those traditions Loiza celebrates the "Fiestas Patronales" where salsa dancing, masquerades, colorful parades and rich Puerto Rican food make this festival a classic. The nine days of this carnival pay homage to Loizas patron saint, St. James. Loiza is a great place to sample the Puerto Rican variety of Afro-Caribbean cuisine. Its San Patricio Church (begun in 1645) is the oldest on the island still active as a parish church. The surrounding areas produces sugar cane, fruits, and coconuts. Population: 31,854 (2000) If you want to see black Puerto Ricans , that's your place In Puerto Rico, way back in the old days, most of the blacks and mulattos lived in the South and the whites in the North (why is that always the case everywhere?). But now it's mostly white everywhere, except for that one town. It also should be noted that there are almost as many Puerto Ricans living in the US than there are in Puerto Rico! But, don't confuse the genepool of one with the other. which is a common thing to do. As far as people who are mostly white calling themselves white or people just look 100% white but are not really if you go back far enough in their family tree calling themselves white. Well, that happens all the time around the world. After all, we have many African Americans who are 70% white or more calling themslves black Most people who are mixed tend to be proud of their backgrounds and do not identify with anything or with whatever they look like the most.
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Post by sticazzi on Apr 26, 2004 20:25:37 GMT -5
Cool, thanks for that info! Also, you know Jamaica (pop 2.7m) has about the same number of people living outside (mostly America, Canada and Britain) as live inside too.
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Post by Requiem on May 2, 2004 2:30:32 GMT -5
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Post by Requiem on May 2, 2004 2:40:31 GMT -5
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