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Post by Polako on Dec 1, 2005 5:19:29 GMT -5
White hair as a kid.
Blond to sandy brown these days.
When I cut it real short it still looks light blond, but if I grow it out a bit, it goes sandy brown, until it gets sun bleached, and then it becomes golden blond.
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Post by MC anunnaki on Dec 2, 2005 6:25:34 GMT -5
Black hair as a kid. Dark brown now.
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Post by bellosiciliano on Dec 2, 2005 6:40:08 GMT -5
blonde/light hair is very common in all young europeans
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Post by zemelmete on Dec 5, 2005 3:47:30 GMT -5
Estonia and Finland are undoubtly the 'fairest' countries in the world, with the highest per capita rate of blondism, fair eyes, fair skin, etc. I have come to realize that there are 2 primary sources (ethnically of blondism). One is Teutonic i.e. derived from Sweden, Norway, and ultimately, Denmark. This source has permeated Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, etc. The other is Uralic i.e. derived from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Czech Republic, and Russia. It has permeated the Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, Moldavia, etc. The Uralic strain has more source countries due to the fact that it was prevalent in the early Slavs, whose homeland was in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany, and more so in the Finno-Ugrian tribes themselves in Russia and the Baltics. The Northern half of Poland is fully comparable (according to Coon) with Teutonic Scandinavia. Indeed, the early Slavs were half Nordic and half Uralic, before the IE washed over. The Uralics still survive in the Finns, but elsewhere are subject to Slavic and other admixture (e.g. Turkish - Magyars). This is NOT to say that either the Teutons or the Uralics did not produce dark-haired individuals or jet-black-haired. I've seen some native Finns and Danes that look East Indian, however they are as Finnish or Danish as one comes. Generally, however, neither the Teutons or Uralics produced fully 'swarthy'- complexioned individuals on any kind of large basis. It is very questionable about sources of blondism, especially if to speak about "uralic sources". From one hand, among all finno-ugric speaking nations are more or less people with blonde hair . From other hand, many finno-ugric speaking nations are overminghtly dark-haired (udmurts, mansi, khanty, mari etc.). The biggest majority of people from these nations have, if not jet-black, then dark brown hair. It is difficult to say if early eastern slavs were speaking some finno-ugric language or not. The fact is, that eastern slavs genetically are close to some FU nations, while strongly differ from other FU nations. I tend to think that blondism came from one source, which later spread among more and more nations, eastwards, westwards and southwards.
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Post by Ilmatar on Dec 5, 2005 12:25:27 GMT -5
Estonia and Finland are undoubtly the 'fairest' countries in the world, with the highest per capita rate of blondism, fair eyes, fair skin, etc. I have come to realize that there are 2 primary sources (ethnically of blondism). One is Teutonic i.e. derived from Sweden, Norway, and ultimately, Denmark. This source has permeated Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, etc. The other is Uralic i.e. derived from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Czech Republic, and Russia. It has permeated the Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, Moldavia, etc. The Uralic strain has more source countries due to the fact that it was prevalent in the early Slavs, whose homeland was in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany, and more so in the Finno-Ugrian tribes themselves in Russia and the Baltics. The Northern half of Poland is fully comparable (according to Coon) with Teutonic Scandinavia. Indeed, the early Slavs were half Nordic and half Uralic, before the IE washed over. The Uralics still survive in the Finns, but elsewhere are subject to Slavic and other admixture (e.g. Turkish - Magyars). This is NOT to say that either the Teutons or the Uralics did not produce dark-haired individuals or jet-black-haired. I've seen some native Finns and Danes that look East Indian, however they are as Finnish or Danish as one comes. Generally, however, neither the Teutons or Uralics produced fully 'swarthy'- complexioned individuals on any kind of large basis. You seem to have some very strange, oldfashioned notions on the ethnogenesis of the NE Europeans. For instance, the idea of the immigration of the Finnic peoples from Urals to the Baltics 2000 years ago has been abbandoned by both linguistics and archeologists at least 30 years ago. It's now thought that numerous different populations contributed to the Baltic genepole. Some populations did undoubtably have links to Urals. However, it's likely that the blondism among Finns and Estonians has the exactly same source as blondism among the "Teutons" or surpricingly blond Southern Slavs: Eastern Ice-Age refugium. The fact that there are so many blonds in Finland is most probably a case: Founding population was a small one, and there have been population bottlenecks. In addition, I'm a Finn, have been living in Finland for most of my life, but I've yet to see a Finn as dark as an East Indian. There are Finns who are as dark as some Meds - or even light Iranians -, but definitely not as dark as Indians.
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Post by jam on Dec 5, 2005 16:16:49 GMT -5
Estonia and Finland are undoubtly the 'fairest' countries in the world, with the highest per capita rate of blondism, fair eyes, fair skin, etc. I have come to realize that there are 2 primary sources (ethnically of blondism). One is Teutonic i.e. derived from Sweden, Norway, and ultimately, Denmark. This source has permeated Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, etc. The other is Uralic i.e. derived from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Czech Republic, and Russia. It has permeated the Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, Moldavia, etc. The Uralic strain has more source countries due to the fact that it was prevalent in the early Slavs, whose homeland was in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany, and more so in the Finno-Ugrian tribes themselves in Russia and the Baltics. The Northern half of Poland is fully comparable (according to Coon) with Teutonic Scandinavia. Indeed, the early Slavs were half Nordic and half Uralic, before the IE washed over. The Uralics still survive in the Finns, but elsewhere are subject to Slavic and other admixture (e.g. Turkish - Magyars). This is NOT to say that either the Teutons or the Uralics did not produce dark-haired individuals or jet-black-haired. I've seen some native Finns and Danes that look East Indian, however they are as Finnish or Danish as one comes. Generally, however, neither the Teutons or Uralics produced fully 'swarthy'- complexioned individuals on any kind of large basis. I think it's more probable that the western fair people did input fairness into the Uralic people than the reverse. And, if you've seen an East Indian looking Dane or Finn, then they probably were of East Indian origin.
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Post by Cerdic on Dec 6, 2005 11:12:33 GMT -5
Germanic languages have a higher proportion of non-Indo-European substructure than any other Indo-European language group. It seems highly likely, as blondism is probably a by-product of general de-pigmentation to cope with low sunlight in high lattitudes, that blondism was concentrated around the Baltic a long before the first Indo-European speaker arrived there. Talk of a "Teutonic" origin of blondism is almost certainly misplaced.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 6, 2005 11:14:36 GMT -5
Is there an approximate date for when blondism first appeared?
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Post by jam on Dec 6, 2005 11:40:31 GMT -5
Ahem, I didn't mean western Europe, but "western" compared to Urals, ie Europe in general, including Baltic etc.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 6, 2005 11:52:33 GMT -5
A lot of the difference are superficial. For example this is a latvian who could easily pass for a swede, and likewise many swedes could pass for a latvian, estonian or pole. addendum: that area haS the hottest chicks in the world!
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Post by zemelmete on Dec 7, 2005 8:28:49 GMT -5
A lot of the difference are superficial. For example this is a latvian who could easily pass for a swede, and likewise many swedes could pass for a latvian, estonian or pole. addendum: that area haS the hottest chicks in the world! You are right. Many latvians do look in the same way as many scandinavians (particulary swedes), especially from western side of Latvia. P.S.Have you been in Baltic states?
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Dec 7, 2005 8:46:12 GMT -5
When blondes are tanned like that, I agree they're really hot.
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Post by rhalle on Dec 7, 2005 16:06:35 GMT -5
As a baby my hair was red. Before adolescence it was brown. As an adolescent it was very dark brown with red in it. Now it's getting thin and I am mostly blond-- kind of a very light brown with no red in sight-- although my facial hair is red. Kind of weird.
I saw on a discovery chanel show the other day that after a woman has her first baby, her hair permanently gets a little darker. They were using this fact to explain why blonde women are supposedly more sexually attractive.
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Post by dukeofpain on Dec 8, 2005 4:27:21 GMT -5
A lot of the difference are superficial. For example this is a latvian who could easily pass for a swede, and likewise many swedes could pass for a latvian, estonian or pole. addendum: that area haS the hottest chicks in the world! You are right. Many latvians do look in the same way as many scandinavians (particulary swedes), especially from western side of Latvia. P.S.Have you been in Baltic states? I wish!
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Dec 13, 2005 17:29:01 GMT -5
blonde/light hair is very common in all young europeans That's simply not true.
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