heavenwood
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A Jew with a casual interest in physical anthropology? I've seen weirder...
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Post by heavenwood on Nov 10, 2005 21:00:41 GMT -5
but who's hair turn darker as they get older never get darker than light brown like for example how come somebody who's born as blonde as a Swede can never ever have their hair turn naturally black as the average Southern European when they get older.I have yet to see a blonde child ever end up with hair naturally darker than light brown when they turn adult.Is it biologically impossible for somebody to be born as blonde as Brad Pitt but end up with hair as black as Sylvester Stallone's when they get older. Aah. Not true. While my mother and I follow that rule (we both started out as blond but turned to light brown by the age of 10,) my father started out with blond hair. It is now an extremely dark brown. Almost black. I also apparently started out with that "jet black hair down" phenomenon.
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Post by OdinofOssetia on Nov 10, 2005 21:02:44 GMT -5
Extremely dark brown is still a bit of a way from jet black, if you know what jet black really is to begin with.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Nov 10, 2005 21:15:37 GMT -5
In many regions of the world many people refer to light brown haired people as "blondes" but usually these regions are devoid of any real blondes so light brown hair looks blonde when your in comparison to a crowd of dark brown/black haired people.I know my Sicilian American mother has a habit of refering to light brown haired people as "blondes" because they do look blonde when standing next to her and her black hair.
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Oldbrit
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Post by Oldbrit on Nov 11, 2005 5:54:36 GMT -5
I, my wife and our three children were born with blonde hair. Mine turned dark brown reddening in sunlight (before it vanished), my wife's turned chestnut, daughter & younger son turned dirty blonde/mouse but revert to blonde in sunshine and elder son's (who had "jet black hair down" ) appears black - it doesn't lighten in sunshine as dark brown might. As he has also inherited the spiral hair that lurks in both our ancestries he is frequently taken as being mixed race and is assumed to be the twin of my blonde sister's niece by her blackish husband not the product of the phenotypic diversity of the British Isles. see below although I cut the size of the pictures from about 350 to 16 kb there still huge
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Post by Melnorme on Nov 11, 2005 6:15:27 GMT -5
I'd post pics if some kind person could tell me how it's done (middle aged technophobe ) You need to find some place to host your images, I use Photobucket. Once your image is uploaded there, just copy and paste the text next to "Img" into your post.
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Post by olympian on Nov 11, 2005 7:51:16 GMT -5
according to Baker the baltid type has the highest percentage of blue iris...
and in my personal experience baltic countries (lithuania etc.) seem to be slightly blonder
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Post by Test Tube Babies Unite on Nov 12, 2005 14:27:19 GMT -5
Scandinavia has the largest percentage of naturally blonde haired adults while the U.S probably has the largest number of naturally blonde haired adults pure numbers wise because of America's heavy Northern European stock.I noticed that naturally blonde hair among Southern European adults who are not mixed with Northern Europeans are rare.Most of the naturally blonde Italians that I know are not even 100% Italian to begin with most are either half or only a quarter Italian.The 100% Italians that I know personally with blonde hair all got it from a bottle. Post where you got this information.im interested.. Wow, you mean natural blonde hair is rare in Med countries? wow you learn something new everday! im so happy.
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Oldbrit
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Post by Oldbrit on Nov 15, 2005 10:39:11 GMT -5
see above the phenotypic diversity of the British Isles. - Mama Suzy - Papa Peter & Daughter Freya - Freya & Daughter Phoebe - 1st left son in law, 2 sons, 2 granddaughters & daughter I've edited the pictures down to around 16kb but they still seem huge, what's the secret all born blonde bar the last mentioned. There's a blonde from birth website where a young lady rails against the hair dyed. Would we be eligible as blonde but transformed?
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Post by osservatore on Nov 18, 2005 12:13:18 GMT -5
In many regions of the world many people refer to light brown haired people as "blondes" but usually these regions are devoid of any real blondes so light brown hair looks blonde when your in comparison to a crowd of dark brown/black haired people.I know my Sicilian American mother has a habit of refering to light brown haired people as "blondes" because they do look blonde when standing next to her and her black hair. I live in Central/Northern Italy and what you say is definitely true here, too. Chestnut/light brown is "blonde" for everyone. Real blondes (I mean, blondes according to northern european standards) are really rare and seldom seen, most (say 95%) of blonde people you see are "artificially blonded". Ciao!
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Post by dukeofpain on Nov 21, 2005 1:13:45 GMT -5
but who's hair turn darker as they get older never get darker than light brown like for example how come somebody who's born as blonde as a Swede can never ever have their hair turn naturally black as the average Southern European when they get older.I have yet to see a blonde child ever end up with hair naturally darker than light brown when they turn adult.Is it biologically impossible for somebody to be born as blonde as Brad Pitt but end up with hair as black as Sylvester Stallone's when they get older. Both of my parents were born blonde, however now my mum has medium brown coloured hair and my dads is even darker, and he was actually blonde even in pictures where he was 14 years old or so. My other sister was born dirty blonde and her hair is actually a similar in color and shade to when she was much younger.
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Post by Ilmatar on Nov 22, 2005 12:00:53 GMT -5
It seems I know some strange people indeed.... My father used to be a platinum blond as a child, just like me. His hair later darkened to almost black. He is a Finn without any known foreign ancestors in the past three hundred years. My grandfather had very dark haired siblings, and one of my aunts has black hair, so I guess he got it from his father's side.
On the other hand my ex-sister-in-law has always been blonde. She does get lighter highlights, but her hair, as well as eyelashes and eyebrows really are light enaugh for her to pass as a blond just about anywhere. Her ancestors come from Puglia. It seems that there are more blondes in her father's side.
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Post by Cerdic on Nov 28, 2005 10:26:23 GMT -5
The majority of people showing blondism are not "fast-blonds," that is their blondism does not survive childhood. Blondism in Europeans can be seen as an infantile characteristic and fast-blonds are in a way paedomorphic. This can be seen in the "dumb-blond" stereotype, ie. that blond women are less smart and, indeed, more infantile in behaviour, than brunettes. A stereotype exploited by Marylin Monroe amongst others.
As a case in point I was born with dark brown hair, which fell out after a few weeks to be replaced by platinum blond hair (it looks white on photographs). My hair darkened to a dirty-blond by 6 or 7 years of age and medium brown by 12. By the time I was 16 or so it was very dark brown only a shade or two lighter than black. The only blondism I retain is a sandy coloured moustache, the rest of my facial hair being dark brown/black. I'm of English and Irish ancestry (with very small amounts of Welsh and French thrown in).
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Post by ivyleak on Nov 29, 2005 18:36:13 GMT -5
My hair is a rich golden hue, not platinum or sandy brown. I think I have a very feminine hair and most girls with darkened style hair look more masculine. Many darkened haired girls become anorexic to look feminine. They have what's known as an upward battle.
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Post by syriano on Nov 30, 2005 17:08:56 GMT -5
hair as a kid hair now is dark brown
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Post by nordicyouth on Nov 30, 2005 18:04:08 GMT -5
Estonia and Finland are undoubtly the 'fairest' countries in the world, with the highest per capita rate of blondism, fair eyes, fair skin, etc.
I have come to realize that there are 2 primary sources (ethnically of blondism). One is Teutonic i.e. derived from Sweden, Norway, and ultimately, Denmark. This source has permeated Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, France, Belgium, The Netherlands, and the United Kingdom, etc.
The other is Uralic i.e. derived from Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Belarus, Czech Republic, and Russia. It has permeated the Ukraine, Yugoslavia, Romania, Hungary, Germany, Moldavia, etc.
The Uralic strain has more source countries due to the fact that it was prevalent in the early Slavs, whose homeland was in Poland, Czechoslovakia, and East Germany, and more so in the Finno-Ugrian tribes themselves in Russia and the Baltics.
The Northern half of Poland is fully comparable (according to Coon) with Teutonic Scandinavia.
Indeed, the early Slavs were half Nordic and half Uralic, before the IE washed over. The Uralics still survive in the Finns, but elsewhere are subject to Slavic and other admixture (e.g. Turkish - Magyars).
This is NOT to say that either the Teutons or the Uralics did not produce dark-haired individuals or jet-black-haired. I've seen some native Finns and Danes that look East Indian, however they are as Finnish or Danish as one comes. Generally, however, neither the Teutons or Uralics produced fully 'swarthy'- complexioned individuals on any kind of large basis.
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