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Post by Melnorme on Jul 1, 2004 15:07:44 GMT -5
There's no evidence anthropologiocally speaking of anything "proto-Caucasoid moving out of East Africa. The earliest people there were Nilotic peoples. You just said the high levels of E3b doesn't make Greeks part East African phenotypically, but then you go on to say something about proto-Caucasoids moving out of East Africa? That doesn't match up Of course there is. All non-Africans descend from archaic East Africans, and some of those non-Africans are Caucasoids. Hence, modern East Africans are at least partially descended from proto-Caucasoids.
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Post by Said Mohammad on Jul 1, 2004 16:43:45 GMT -5
Of course there is. All non-Africans descend from archaic East Africans, and some of those non-Africans are Caucasoids. Hence, modern East Africans are at least partially descended from proto-Caucasoids. Non-African doesn't=Caucasoid and even so-called 'Negroids' are descended from archaic East Africans. Archaic east Africans=generalized moderns which means they had no physical features resembling modern races as we know them. And you have it the other way around, proto-Caucasoids descend from archaic East Africans, not the other way around.
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 1, 2004 16:52:51 GMT -5
Non-African doesn't=Caucasoid and even so-called 'Negroids' are descended from archaic East Africans. Archaic east Africans=generalized moderns which means they had no physical features resembling modern races as we know them. And you have it the other way around, proto-Caucasoids descend from archaic East Africans, not the other way around. Duh, that's what I'm saying. Caucasoids descend from archaic East Africans, therefore those archaic East Africans were proto-Caucasoids!
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Post by AWAR on Jul 1, 2004 17:06:03 GMT -5
btw. It seems that I'm one sort of E3b... it seems to be a pre-Slavic Balkan-only branch of E3b. ;D
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 1, 2004 17:20:39 GMT -5
btw. It seems that I'm one sort of E3b... it seems to be a pre-Slavic Balkan-only branch of E3b. ;D lol, maybe Abdul was right about you being 'part-Berber' after all. ;D
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Post by Said Mohammad on Jul 1, 2004 17:25:03 GMT -5
Duh, that's what I'm saying. Caucasoids descend from archaic East Africans, therefore those archaic East Africans were proto-Caucasoids! No, you still don't get it do you? Non-Africans include Mongloids, Oceanic Negroids, and Caucasoids for example, so no, archaic East Africans were not proto-Caucasoids. Not to mention those East Africans with the oldest and most ancient DNA do not look proto-Caucasoid anything. Negroids descend from these same peoples. Archaic East Africans equal generalized modern which means no racial affiliation. The earliest East Africans were proto-everything in a remote sense.
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Post by AWAR on Jul 1, 2004 17:26:49 GMT -5
lol, maybe Abdul was right about you being 'part-Berber' after all. ;D Hehehe... Labi also thought that I tested my Y-chromosomes, and I'm probably E3b... although the final results aren't still in, and some of the markers align with E3b, other with R1a Anyway, here's what I found on Dienekes' blog: www.dienekes.com/blog/archives/000531.htmlAnd here's a part probably regarding me! ;D The most important clade is E-M78 and it has an age of 23.2ky very close to the age of the entire E3b haplogroup. It is found in eastern and northern Africa, the NEar East and Europe, where it is most common. E-M78 is divided into four clusters which show a very striking geographical distribution: Cluster α is found at the highest frequencies in Albania, Rumania and Bulgaria (>20%) and in Greece (according to unpublished data which they cite), and its frequency decreases sharply in all other populations. Surprisingly, it is found outside Europe in frequencies <5%, even in Turkey (3.4%). Thus, the authors conclude that it represents "an important range expansion from the Balkans to western and southern-central Europe". What should be noted is that cluster α Y chromosomes make up almost the entirety of Balkan Y chromosome, are almost entirely absent outside Europe and represent an expansion from the Balkans.Cluster β is common in northwestern Africa and in Europe it was found in 0.7% of Sicilians and in 1.1% of Sardinians. It has an age of 5.2ky Cluster γ was found in Cushitic speaking groups of eastern Africa. Its wide distribution as far east as Pakistan suggest that it was involved in the first dispersal of E-M78 chromosomes. It is entirely absent in Europe and the Near East. Finally, cluster δ is present in all regions at low frequencies. The authors conclude that there was a "relatively great antiquity (14.7+/-2.7ky) for the separation of eastern Africans from the other populations. This cluster is however not found in the Balkans.
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 1, 2004 17:35:54 GMT -5
No, you still don't get it do you? Non-Africans include Mongloids, Oceanic Negroids, and Caucasoids for example, so no, archaic East Africans were not proto-Caucasoids. Not to mention those East Africans with the oldest and most ancient DNA do not look proto-Caucasoid anything. Negroids descend from these same peoples. Archaic East Africans equal generalized modern which means no racial affiliation. The earliest East Africans were proto-everything in a remote sense. I didn't say there were ONLY proto-Caucasoids. Yes, they were also proto-Mongoloids, etc. I don't really care how they looked.
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Post by CJ on Jul 1, 2004 17:43:47 GMT -5
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 1, 2004 17:48:10 GMT -5
Did you read the thread? It's right in front of you.
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Post by CJ on Jul 1, 2004 17:54:33 GMT -5
sorry Melnorme, Didn't read all the thread . I was the person, that got FT DNA to place .pdf in their library................
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Post by Melnorme on Jul 1, 2004 18:00:44 GMT -5
I was the person, that got FT DNA to place .pdf in their library................ Excellent.
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Post by CJ on Jul 1, 2004 18:08:59 GMT -5
Hi, It is a good study - people should take the time to read it carefully. Expect some changes soon at one of the testing companies as regards sub-haplogroup SNP testing. Can't say more now !!
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Post by One Humanity on Jul 1, 2004 18:44:24 GMT -5
I was the person, that got FT DNA to place .pdf in their library................ Yeah, not a bad turn.
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Post by pconroy on Aug 10, 2004 12:25:33 GMT -5
These 2 pics are of the same person, Eamonn de Valera, former president of Ireland, who was born in New York of mixed parentage, supposedly half Spanish, and raised in Ireland by his maternal grandmother. So this really doesn't represent a NW European person.
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