europeans origin

[Vitor]

what you think about this?
aquatico.no.sapo.pt/Deitiker%20genetic%20info.txt

save this file into your disk and make an word warp or something equivalent

[Vitor]

It's a large text...could be somewhat speculative...
I really don't know!

I will post some of those interesting findings (with my interpretation) when I have more time...

please post your interesting findings!

the genetic distance of Japanese versus Indochinese to western eurasians may be far less than appearances, and those appearances may be the result of trait selection by dominant groups

japanese are part caucasian...
interesting...
;D

[Vitor]

turkish are not really turkish....

Turkey for example is really not genetically turkic. When the HLA of anatolian ethnic turks was compared with other turkic groups, it was found there is evidence of largely west to east geneflow in the anatolian population, and a substantial amount can be traced to iberia, italy, and greece, austria, switzerland, even norse

[Vitor]

another one...

West to east gene flow. Given the ties of western europeans to berbers and western sub-saharan africans I would suggest that the LGM was not a culturally dead period for europeans, it is likely that technologies and some trade remained with a more productive western africa, and while isolated by glaciation these cultures continued to evolve, adapt and learned to survive as the neandertals had. After the end of glaciation there appears to have been migrations eastward from the basque regions into czech, caucasus, anatolia, poland and central europe. These people being more caucasian than the original inhabitants. There also appears to have been expansion from the black sea region to the east. Some of these geneflow patterns can be seen in the current makeup of siberians, including koreans

My interpretation:
The way I see it basques are not the original europeans...
The original europeans might look like most asians...

what happened was that most of those died...
the Ice age was terrible, I guess...
and so Basques and Iberians are the "original" europeans, tracing their's routes with Berbers ...

So most european could start thinking of berberes as their's true ancestors!

Of course there was some west african genes inserted...
and that is why all the europeans have some simbolic west african genes...

[Vitor]

There is no pure group of people on the planet.

true!

Much of what you read in the literature refuses to beleive that people migrated willy-nilly everywhere despite all kinds of good evidence otherwise

also true!

[Graeme]

I have seen it and read it before. The North East Asians and the South East Asians have only a slight relationship. The South Chinese are more similar genetically to Thais or Burmese and even Australian Aborigines that to the North Chinese who are Mongol like. The Japanese have an Ainu component and a South Pacific component in their make-up. That may make some of them look more caucasian.

Anyway who has been to Turkey can see that they are caucasians. On the whole the views of the writer are interesting and as you said speculative. My speculation is that the people who became caucasian and the people who became mongolian split off each other after having been the same people. The differences actuated by genetic drift, adaptation to severe cold, and founder effects. The mongoloid and caucasoid mixes seen in Central Asia and Western China are of long standing and ancient. No need for the overexaggerated genetic contribution of blond caucasians sometimes found in desert graves. It could be that blondism may originally be a mongolian trait from Central Asia and passed on into the caucasian populations. I don't think there were mongolians in Europe before caucasoids or even neanderthals. To me the Basques at least in language are the original Europeans.