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Post by Said Mohammad on Jun 9, 2004 11:19:23 GMT -5
I didn't even mention East Africa, geez. East Africa is part of Sub-Saharan 'Black Africa', as far as I'm concerned. I know what you're views are Melnorme, but here me out now. A southern Arab(true Arab), European, and Indian ´look far more distinct from each other than a East African, West African, and central African look distinct from each other. In other words not many people would ever mistake a southern Arab or Indian for a Swede or even a Sicilian, would you not agree?
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Post by Graeme on Jun 9, 2004 11:20:12 GMT -5
You should try to listen to zain, but no, you have to trot out your pet crap. Write a book about your North African fantasy. You will be roasted alive! Every man and his dog can see that American blacks do not look like any Africans, tropical or otherwise. Just like mestizos don't look caucasian or American Indian. Yet you still cling to your belonging to Africa. That is the problem with race mixing, you lose your roots and belong nowhere. That Haley story was pure BS.
Those south Arabs are of different races. Some are Orientalids, others negroid due to the importation of negroids. Osama bin Laden is of the negroid element from Yemen. He is not a true Orientalid. Idi Amin Dada did not look a Dinka or a San or Tutsi or Sadat. They all come from Africa. Why do Norwegians or Turks or Bahrainis or Iranis or Indians have to look exactly the same? I understand that being an American you find that hard to understand. How can Germans, Italians and Turks all be white. Tough. Get used to it. Your racism only sees black, adds layers of melanin to every caucasoid who happens to be African or West Asian.
You talk a lot about anthrology, but who the f*ck are you? Show us your creditials. What makes you such an expert? What makes you, a dilettante, think he can make sense of anthrological studies, genetics or prehistoric movements of humans out of Africa? A small vessel makes the loudest noise. Tropical Africans indeed, negroes, congoids, sudanese and bantus are quite sufficient. The San people are unique and have nothing to do with mongoloids. People thought the Earth was flat once. The ancients thought that flies came from meat. Time moves on, knowledge increases. I suppose you believe that the Earth is the centre of the universe. You should, your knowledge is half baked and addled.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 9, 2004 11:24:27 GMT -5
I know what you're views are Melnorme, but here me out now. A southern Arab(true Arab), European, and Indian ´look far more distinct from each other than a East African, West African, and central African look distinct from each other. In other words not many people would ever mistake a southern Arab or Indian for a Swede or even a Sicilian, would you not agree? Yes, and yet at the same time, you've stated time and again that Sub-Saharan Africans are the most genotypically and phenotypically diverse people on the planet. ( not on this board ) I don't know about phenotypes, but they are indeed more diverse genetically. Similarly, Middle Easterners are more genetically diverse than Europeans, and yet they ( arguably ) look more similar to each other than say, a North and South European look similar to each other. Strange, isn't it?
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Post by Said Mohammad on Jun 9, 2004 11:46:21 GMT -5
You should try to listen to zain, but no, you have to trot out your pet crap. Write a book about your North African fantasy. You will be roasted alive! Every man and his dog can see that American blacks do not look like any Africans, tropical or otherwise. Just like mestizos don't look caucasian or American Indian. Yet you still cling to your belonging to Africa. That is the problem with race mixing, you lose your roots and belong nowhere. That Haley story was pure BS. When are you going to post some studies or something instead of rambling on saying the same thing. I kniow my roots and my family did not mix out nor have I ever lost my knowledge of where I'm from, do you know where you are from? Racemixing? Maltese are mixed.This is my last time replying to yout trolling, put up data/sources or shut up South Arabs are different from other Arabs and Europeans and their look is not only do to the Arab Slave Trade, there are dark Arabs of a Vedic type, some that even show a cline with Ethiopians. Remember that link I posted about the Mahra? Thats what I'm talking about. Bin Laden does not look 'Negrid' at all but is a good representation of a Proto-Mediterranean You just said Bin Laden was Negrid, who's adding layers of melanin to who? When are you going to post some sources, at least I do instead of arguing with my mouth only and staying in denial when I don't agree with something. Look the rest of your post is troll material, I will not respond to it.
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Post by Said Mohammad on Jun 9, 2004 11:47:04 GMT -5
Yes, and yet at the same time, you've stated time and again that Sub-Saharan Africans are the most genotypically and phenotypically diverse people on the planet. ( not on this board ) I don't know about phenotypes, but they are indeed more diverse genetically. Similarly, Middle Easterners are more genetically diverse than Europeans, and yet they ( arguably ) look more similar to each other than say, a North and South European look similar to each other. Strange, isn't it? That is strange
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 9, 2004 14:26:28 GMT -5
Yes it is...
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Post by zain on Jun 9, 2004 20:00:05 GMT -5
Negrocentric
that is a good name ,i will use it all of those afroncentric are actully negro from sub-sahara
;D
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Post by AWAR on Jun 9, 2004 20:12:43 GMT -5
Negrocentric that is a good name ,i will use it all of those afroncentric are actully negro from sub-sahara ;D That's why I coined it, to prevent the mistake of thinking of all Africans as Negroids. What can I say, Americans have produced yet another lame ideology that tries to steal other people's heritage, namely, North Africans' heritage, history and culture. I can imagine how annoying it must be for Indians and Pakistanis in USA who probably can't explain to Americans where exactly their homeland is, since to Americans the word Asian is synonimous with Chinese and Japanese.
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Post by Said Mohammad on Jun 10, 2004 6:04:42 GMT -5
What can I say, Americans have produced yet another lame ideology that tries to steal other people's heritage, namely, North Africans' heritage, history and culture. Read again idiot: Few American, and certainly no African universities continue to divide their African history general survey geographically. While a north-south division may have some validity in contemporary political studies, it is not given wide currency in historical analyses. Most historians of prehistoric, ancient or precolonial Africa contend that the Sahara was more a bridge than barrier, and contact more the norm than isolation. Furthermore, thorughout the great expanse of human history, similar social processes were underway both north and south: hunting and gathering, the transtition to agriculture, state formation, long-distance trade, religious conversion, and so forth. Such themes are best dealt with together, is a single unit, rather than dispersed between two regional courses.www.ncate.lhup.edu/course_syllabi/Sec%20Ed/Social%20Studies/HIST362.htmIf Africans themselves don't make a division between the two, who are you to come with your ad-hominem nonsensical strawman attack on Afrocentrism dividing the two? Stick to slav land and Europe, since when do Europeans have the right to divide Africa?
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Post by Agrippa on Jun 10, 2004 7:25:32 GMT -5
Not the Europeans divide it, but nature, race, ethnic-linguistic categories, economy and history etc.
If someone does not recognize this differences its his fault and/or an ideological illusion.
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Post by Said Mohammad on Jun 10, 2004 7:37:48 GMT -5
Not the Europeans divide it, but nature, race, ethnic-linguistic categories, economy and history etc. If someone does not recognize this differences its his fault and/or an ideological illusion. You didn't read did you? If Africans themselves do not divide it why should anyone else do it. What do you mean by nature? The sahara desert only came into being at the end of the Neolithic, prior to this there were no barriers restricting movement. Ethnic-linguitsic? North Africans speak Afrasian languages just as some west and east Africans. History? No, you see how African scholars see African history and historaically there is no separation. Race? 15° S marks off sub-Saharan Africa from North Africa, you mean to tell me only there were never any blacks in North Africa? Read some up to date anthropology. there is no division and the notion of a North Africa and black Africa is a European creation.
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Post by AWAR on Jun 10, 2004 9:16:13 GMT -5
You didn't read did you? If Africans themselves do not divide it why should anyone else do it. What do you mean by nature? The sahara desert only came into being at the end of the Neolithic, prior to this there were no barriers restricting movement. Ethnic-linguitsic? North Africans speak Afrasian languages just as some west and east Africans. History? No, you see how African scholars see African history and historaically there is no separation. Race? 15° S marks off sub-Saharan Africa from North Africa, you mean to tell me only there were never any blacks in North Africa? Read some up to date anthropology. there is no division and the notion of a North Africa and black Africa is a European creation. You really seem like a well informed, intelligent person. It must put quite a strain on your psyche to decide to tell such outright lies and fabrications. Let's arrange something. I'll pay you a ticket to Tunisia, and all you have to do is WALK south to Nigeria. Yes, WALK, through Sahara. You even posted a map on another thread which is a direct contradiction of what you say here. It clearly shows the distinction of human populations in africa, and the SOUTHWARD migrations of Bantus.
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Post by Graeme on Jun 10, 2004 9:56:59 GMT -5
Said stick to your goofy islamic names. Why take a Greek one? Herodotus! You are as related to the real Herodotus as shit is to gold.
Are you telling us that Greeks are now negroes aka tropical Africans? You are one sick bastard. I don't share Awar's opinion of you. You should be returned to the earth as quickly as possible.
Who cares about the opinions of some person in America. Name those "most historians". Are they geologists, climatologists and anthrologists also? How would a any historian know what Africa was like in the ancient times? The simple answer is they won't. History has nothing to do with where races developed or their movements, nothing at all. Said, kemm inti bahal u mignun.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 10, 2004 9:58:30 GMT -5
Herodotus is a name beloved by certain Afrocentrists because of his infamous 'Egyptians are wooly-haired' quote.
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Post by AWAR on Jun 10, 2004 10:01:21 GMT -5
Btw. Did you know that the name GRAEME ( when pronounced in Serbian, Grejem ) means: "I'm heating".
;D
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