UP Europeans and modern Europeans are different

[Said Mohammad]

When Cromagnon through Taforalt were compared against the panel of 50 recent individuals, 4-5 were closest to the Norse, 6-7 to the Santa Cruz, 2-3 to the Zulu, 2 to the Tolai, and 1 to the Anyang. Qafzeh 6 was most similar to the Santa Cruz, Qafzeh 9 to the Zulu, and Cohuna and Upper Cave 101 to the Tolai.

When compared against the 5 modern populations using amount-of-change-corrected distances, only 2 (CroMagnon and Candide 1) were closest to the Norse, and both associations were marginal. 3 others straddled the Norse and one of the other 4 (Mladec with the Zulu, Candide 5 with the Tolai, and Afalou 10 with the Santa Cruz). 4 fell with the Tolai (Kostenki 14, the Oberkassel male, and the 2 Taforalt). 4 fell with the Santa Cruz (Pataud, Oberkassel female, one of the Candide, Afalou 32), and Chancelade and Afalou 9 went strongly with the Anyang. Predmost straddled the Tolai and Santa Cruz, and Afalou 29 was effectively equidistant from all 5.

The conclusion, then, is simple: Upper Paleolithic European-area fossils do not show any marked tendency to "look European".



RACE and LANGUAGE in PREHISTORY VINCENT M SARICH INTRODUCTION

www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d10/asb/anthro2003/origins/hominid_journey/sarich.html

[executiona9]

``WASHINGTON (AP) -- Four out of five men in Europe share a common male ancestor who lived as a hunter on a wild continent some 40,000 years ago, researchers say.

In a study appearing Friday in the journal Science, researchers say an analysis of a pattern found in the Y chromosome taken from 1,007 men from 25 places in Europe shows that about 80 percent of Europeans arose from the Paleolithic people who first migrated to Europe.```

www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/11/10/ancient.europeans.ap/

[Said Mohammad]

executiona9 said:

``WASHINGTON (AP) -- Four out of five men in Europe share a common male ancestor who lived as a hunter on a wild continent some 40,000 years ago, researchers say.

In a study appearing Friday in the journal Science, researchers say an analysis of a pattern found in the Y chromosome taken from 1,007 men from 25 places in Europe shows that about 80 percent of Europeans arose from the Paleolithic people who first migrated to Europe.```

www.cnn.com/2000/NATURE/11/10/ancient.europeans.ap/

You're confusing genotype and phenotype. Modern Europeans made well be descendants of these people, but in the phenotypic sense UP Europeans didn't look like modern Europeans.

[Graeme]

executiona9 is a European, genotypically and phenotypically. That is something you are not, Said. So do not teach Europeans about themselves. There are UP types in Europe now, whether you like it or not. Stick to your pseudoscience about Chadic and Omotic or your pet tropical Africans.

[nordicyouth]

rofl

[Said Mohammad]

Graeme said:

executiona9 is a European, genotypically and phenotypically. That is something you are not, Said. So do not teach Europeans about themselves. There are UP types in Europe now, whether you like it or not. Stick to your pseudoscience about Chadic and Omotic or your pet tropical Africans.

This is a discussion forum you stupid bastradized Arabid-Europunk hybrid. Unless you can post some information instead of stirring up things(trolling) shut your trap.

[Scoob]

Maybe some evolutionary pressure came upon UP Europeans and only a small amount of them survived. I think there is indeed evidence for a genetic "bottleneck" in UP Europeans.

[Vitor]

Said Mohammad, maybe Graeme was too much annoyed by some of dontknow messages...and jump over you because of that...

please, continue...

[Graeme]

Nope, I admit the difference between dontknow and Said is be hard to fathom, but they exist. Actually dontknow probably knows himself well.

The UP element is definitely very strong in Europe, bottlenecks aside, which incidentally probably took place long before the presence of the Neolithic new boys thousands of years later.

The difference between me and Said is I do not use invective and I have not questioned his ethnic group or race. He hasn't got one anyway. Any negro from the States who thinks he knows something about Africa, African history and languages particularly Hausa is deluded wanker. He has Afrocentrist views which colours everything he reads. He wants to push onto people these Afrocentrist view quoting his list of likeminded deluded fools. I noticed he quoted something out of an Australian science magazine about Mungo man and Mungo woman. He is trying to refute the facts regarding the movement of people out of Africa including those of the Australian Aborigines. There is evidence in Australia other than some old bones in a dry lake bed of the presence of humans 60 kya. The fact is that the negroid race is the youngest human race and the last to develop in Africa and the achievements of negroids is little and poor. It is very understandable that a rootless negro, a Kunta Kinte without an Angola, wants to believe BS about ancient Egypt or the languages spoken by ancient caucasians including the Semitic group of languages. Now he wants to destroy the Palaeolithic groups who have contributed to the genetic make-up of most Europeans.

If you want Afrocentrist drivel then read on. Said ibn Haram is your boy.

[Vitor]

Graeme...
I do not have afrocentrist drive...


quite the contrary...
;D

[Said Mohammad]

Graeme said:

Nope, I admit the difference between dontknow and Said is be hard to fathom, but they exist. Actually dontknow probably knows himself well.

The UP element is definitely very strong in Europe, bottlenecks aside, which incidentally probably took place long before the presence of the Neolithic new boys thousands of years later.

Dummy, the article I posted was about anthropological, not genetics. It said UP Europeans did not have a tendency to look European, are you reading impaired?

Any negro from the States who thinks he knows something about Africa, African history and languages particularly Hausa is deluded wanker.

Listen bitch, I told I was born in NY to African parents, nationality wise I'm African-American in the strictest sense, what can your Arab hybrid brain not understand? And yes, I speak Hausa, know the names of nearly every king in Kano, and I know my Hausa history as well as my Kanuri history. You are a racially confused person from a bastadized Island in Europe, one minute you're a maltese Semite, the next your a Aussie, the next you're Scottish, if there's anyone thats a deluded wanker its your stupid ass

He has Afrocentrist views which colours everything he reads. He wants to push onto people these Afrocentrist view quoting his list of likeminded deluded fools.

Whatever, just strawmen ad-hominem bullshit. If you think Colin Groves, Joseph Greenberg and Christopher Ehret are Afrocentrists you are a f*cking moron. Everything I posted you never answeresd with a source refuting it, just your mouth bitch. name something of my views that are Afrocentric(extreme) that I didn't back with sources, PEER-REVIEWED sources? By the way I can count on my hand how many PEER-REVIEWED sources you have cited, ZERO, your mouth doesn't count.

I noticed he quoted something out of an Australian science magazine about Mungo man and Mungo woman. He is trying to refute the facts regarding the movement of people out of Africa including those of the Australian Aborigines. There is evidence in Australia other than some old bones in a dry lake bed of the presence of humans 60 kya.

proof of when I said those things? And those remains in australia have been proven to be younger than 60,000 years old stupid ass, get up to date

The fact is that the negroid race is the youngest human race and the last to develop in Africa and the achievements of negroids is little and poor.

Proof bitch? Quit running your mouth and post some links or sources to prove your point bastard.

It is very understandable that a rootless negro, a Kunta Kinte without an Angola, wants to believe BS about ancient Egypt or the languages spoken by ancient caucasians including the Semitic group of languages.

Dumbass, Kunta Kinte was a fictional character from Gambia, not Angola bitch, see how dumb you are? And Afrasian languages are NOT the languages of ancient Caucasians bitch. As I've quoted from Ehret, a peer-reviewed linguist who specializes in African languages, Ancient Egyptian is an African language that came from south of Egypt, do you know what lies south of egypt? definitely NOT caucasian people. Are Chadic, omotic, Cushitic, and tuareg speakers of Berber, and Ethiopic speakers of Semitic caucasians? No, so it makes no sense what you say.

Now he wants to destroy the Palaeolithic groups who have contributed to the genetic make-up of most Europeans

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Bitch, I quoted from a European descended person that these groups(UP Europeans) didn't show a tendency to look European. It was an intelligent discussion until you f*cked up thios thread with your trolling, now f*ck off, for you have contributed nothing of scho0larly or scientific value to this thread, you just attacked me with your bitchin, not what I posted. Thats makes you a troll.

If you want Afrocentrist drivel then read on. Said ibn Haram is your boy.