Praetor
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Post by Praetor on Apr 16, 2004 16:15:25 GMT -5
This arguement about long battles is totally absurd. First of all the Greek full moon of August is very bright. I have played bball numerous times during that night. The ancients didn't play bball.They just went to battle. But even If we accept that such battles are possible only around midsummer near poles I don't see your point. Do you really question the location of Troy around which homeric battles were fought? Can you be that ignorant?And why should it be Northern Europe and not Siberia or Alaska?Or Antartica if you wanna go down under. Even if Troy was situated around Baltic sea this doesn't prove that the enemies that clashed were locals. They could have been amerindians for that matter. All these seem insane but they are products of your hypothesis,remember.
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SeanMichael
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Post by SeanMichael on Apr 17, 2004 6:16:24 GMT -5
There are many other "coincidences" too , read the linx I posted , Vinci doesn't refers to Baltic just because of cold climate and long midsummer nights , so Siberia and other places such that doesn't matter at all , these are hypothesis yes , don't be so schliemanesque please , I believe in this baltic theory as much as the indo-aryan colonization , you're too secure of your position.
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Sandwich
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Post by Sandwich on Apr 17, 2004 10:43:22 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting any "Nordicist" nasal mucus here, but on the homogeneity of the Romans: This must have been posted lotso'times before, surely.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 17, 2004 10:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by Graeme on Apr 17, 2004 11:17:10 GMT -5
Sorry I am not a Christian, Jew or Muslim. The bible is just a book to me. As an American homosexual wrote " the things that you're liable to read in the bible, ain't necessarily so". There is history and history. Homer's acounts are not 100% factual, nor is Tacitus, nor Plato. Everything as my parents say has to taken with a grain of salt. Did you know that Helen was immortal. She is probably running aroung in Greece today wrecking havoc. Thor Heyerdahl was convinced that the longears were from the East and white skinned. There are beliefs that are perpetuated generation after generation and are eventually accepted as fact.
Don't call my dude. It is similar to a Maltese word for bug. As for Vinland, I think it is a lot of BS, sorry.
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Sandwich
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Post by Sandwich on Apr 18, 2004 11:17:08 GMT -5
Julius Verus Philippus was, I agree, a native of Arabia. He was chosen by the Senate as Praetorian Prefect and was a member of "a distinguished equestrian family of Arab descent". My point was not his birthplace but the fact that Rome was not racially exclusive. Hardly original, as I surmised. I suppose I'll have to actually read Kemp to find out what is tired old ground to all you people.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 18, 2004 11:23:51 GMT -5
Julius Verus Philippus was, I agree, a native of Arabia. He was chosen by the Senate as Praetorian Prefect and was a member of "a distinguished equestrian family of Arab descent". My point was not his birthplace but the fact that Rome was not racially exclusive. Hardly original, as I surmised. I suppose I'll have to actually read Kemp to find out what is tired old ground to all you people. Did you read my post? In any case, I don't think the ancient Romans viewed Middle Easterners as racially alien ( or at least not as significantly alien as Europeans view Middle Easterners today ).
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Sandwich
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Post by Sandwich on Apr 18, 2004 19:04:48 GMT -5
Melnorme, I never suggested he spoke Arabic, although I assume he spoke Latin, some form of Greek, Aramaic and Nabbatean-Arabic. The quote about Arab descent is from Brittanica.
His father bore the Roman name, Julius Marinus. Can't find anything about his mother.
The "native of Arabia" is from Hammond. The borders of the province designated by that name tended to shift, but I presume Hammond has chosen the right term for this particular Emperor. One source, presumably based on Zosimus, suggested he was born 52 miles to the south of Damascus, in Shahba. That puts it pretty close to the Nabbatean capital at Bostra.
If you have sources to show that he was definitely Syrian, I would be interested.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 18, 2004 20:02:53 GMT -5
It seems the sources are anything but unanimous about this. I've seen at least five different versions on the web. So much for 'Google mining'... The question is not really where he was born, but what he was ethnically. I suspect the differences between the 'city people' and the 'countryside people' were great in those days. Here's an interesting webpage about the 'Three Arabias', by the way. www.livius.org/ap-ark/arabia/arabia.html
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Post by Graeme on Apr 20, 2004 10:20:04 GMT -5
The Roman Emperor FrederickII, a Hohenstaufen spoke Arabic and keep a harem. I suppose this Sicilian "native" is an Arab also.
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Post by wardner on Apr 23, 2004 7:37:45 GMT -5
Northern italians are basically the result of the hybridation between ligures (a pro-indoeuropean population of med phenotype) and celtic-gauls who crossed the alps to establish in the padanian plain. The longobard admixture is marginal, and once I heard that longobards were germans with light complexion and fair but NOT BLOND hair, because blond hair is a physical feature originally from finnic populations that loaned it to germans in a second moment before the formalization of the longobardic racial characteristics. The few nothern italians with nordic features have probably some german ancestors immigrated there as artists or mercenary soldiers or else. I was born in a small city of longobardic foundation in the north-western part of Italy, and many of my co-citizens have light complexion, blue eyes or light brown hair and childish blondism is frequent but none of them keeps blond hair in adulthood .
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