Which sub-race has had the greatest influence?

[AWAR]

Which caucasoid Sub-Race has had the greatest influence on other subraces through history?

Which has made the most admixture on other subraces and races?

Which has had the greatest influences in both genotype and phenotype?

[Redwolf]

I presume you are talking about European sub-races. The UP types would have to be the most important in this case since all the other types stem from them.

[galvez]

All educated Europeans recognize that all subraces of Europe have made great contributions to European culture. Those who denigrate other European groups are likely to have an inferiority complex and thus a need to artificially elevate themselves. (Some may say this is projection on my part in throwing the "inferiority complex" accusation, yet this is true as can be observed from the behavior of such individuals, and the "projection" accusation merely reflects a lack of counterargument on their part).

The Greeks and Romans established the basis of Western civilization. Then the Central-Northern Italians revived classical culture and provided the intellectual basis for the modern world. In recent centuries the Germans and Brits have achieved a lot -- especially in literature, the sciences and in industry. The Germans, in particular, have produced arguably the greatest musicians. The Russians have produced great literary figures, and other Slavs have rich cultures with great figures who are not given their due credit because of the insulation of these countries, especially due to communism and its aftermath. The Spanish and Portuguese impacted the lives of tens of millions of people in the New World and elsewhere, and have produced great art (the visual arts and architecture) and literature. The French, largely Alpine, have made great contributions in virtually all fields. The Scandinavians have produced good literature and have been very inventive in recent centuries.

Thus, Nords who claim Meds have achieved less or are inferior are most likely individuals who have achieved nothing in their own lives, and Meds who feel a need to put Nords down over their achievements likely have their own issues. Correcting propaganda or misinformation should not be perceived as being antagonistic, however. Furthermore, when debates come about, there can be an ugly reaction from one party that is provoked by another. However, it remains: all educated persons agree that all European subraces have made immense contributions (you cannot be educated and assert otherwise). Those who place a particular emphasis on one group are either ignorant or insecure. This is not to say that all European groups are equal; it is to recognize the historical fact that no single subrace has dominated Western civilization throughout since its inception.

You can't build a house without foundations (as Graeme pointed out), and you can't have a house without a roof!

[AWAR]

Yeah, I agree, but I wasn't talking about cultural achievments ( I'd have made this thread in the history section if I was ).

I was refering to the influence in phenotype. What subrace has become the component in all other subraces, a substratum, a type present in all regions of Europe.

[galvez]

AWAR said:

Yeah, I agree, but I wasn't talking about cultural achievments ( I'd have made this thread in the history section if I was ).

I was refering to the influence in phenotype. What subrace has become the component in all other subraces, a substratum, a type present in all regions of Europe.

Hmmm... the Med phenotype is somewhat more dominant than the Nord... and Alpines, though in great numbers, do not seem to outnumber other subtypes. In Europe as a whole, maybe Upper Paleolithic types, followed by Meds.

[dalonord]

Yes, I'd say UP types as well--Brunns in the northwest, Borrebys in the northcentral, Faelids mixed in there as well, Baltids in the northeast and Alpines in the central and southcentral.

It's arguable whether or not Atlanto-Meds are of UP origins or are later arrivals. I tend to think the former.