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Post by Centurion on Mar 25, 2004 3:23:16 GMT -5
Hi alex, great site (very informative)!  Here, you can also see the table from the Gonzalez study (which already included the samples used by Pereira et al 2000): www.geocities.com/refuting_kemp/Gonzalez.gifOverall, the values of Negroid mtDNA for Portugal would be 3,4% for Northern Portugal 6,8% for Central Portugal 10,6% for Southern Portugal I'm not sure why the numbers differ since the study I posted claims to use the "pooled data from Gonzalez et al. (2003) and Pereira et al. (2000)". *shrug* Anyway, the only reason I posted that information was to show how low the non-Caucasian admixture of the Azores really is. |
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Post by Euclides on Mar 25, 2004 10:36:08 GMT -5
BTW, that Brazilian study of the " partially isolated communities of Santa Catarina Island" was a joke. Those people obviously weren't pure Azoreans. It showed they had 7.7% Amerindian admixture.  of course they are not ''pure'' azoreans ( if this therm can be applicated ) |
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Post by Euclides on Mar 25, 2004 10:47:24 GMT -5
Pay no attention to Euclides, he is a troll that thinks South Brazil is a nordic-Germanic land, he is also part of the non-nordic nordicists crew. In another threat he said that the Italians were not considered white by the Brazilians  That´s interesting, nordicists says that I´m mediterranist , but mestizos and meds says that I´m racist or nordicist... By the way, its true that Italians were not considered whites by some ancient Brazilians eugenists and German colonists, I´m not saying that I agree or disagree with this. Ja vi que este Forum foi fundado por Gregos, Portugas ,mediterranistas , mestiços de todo tipo e outros que não deram certo no Skadi Forum... mas isso não é da minha conta pois vim aqui debater Genetica e Antropolgia e não discutir filosofia de almanaque. See you at Skadi Forum. www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9225www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=95180#post95180 |
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Post by Silveira on Mar 25, 2004 11:07:15 GMT -5
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Post by alex221166 on Mar 25, 2004 19:32:56 GMT -5
"Hi alex, great site (very informative)! " Thanks . By the way, in my last post I made a mistake: N/M/L3 might be mongoloid, not caucasoid. "I'm not sure why the numbers differ since the study I posted claims to use the "pooled data from Gonzalez et al. (2003) and Pereira et al. (2000)". *shrug* Anyway, the only reason I posted that information was to show how low the non-Caucasian admixture of the Azores really is." Azoreans look like ordinary Portuguese. Most Azoreans descend from southern Portuguese settlers, but they do have some foreign northwestern European ancestry. That might explain slightly lower values. |
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Post by Silveira on Mar 26, 2004 13:30:30 GMT -5
Both Azoreans and Madeirans do not differ significantly in appearance in relation to the mainland Portuguese. São Miguel and Santa Maria were settled mostly by Portuguese from the Algarve and to a lesser extent from the region around Tomar. The Central Group (Terceira, Graciosa, São Jorge, Pico, and Faial) were settled by Northern and Southern Portuguese as well as Flemings. The Eastern Group (Flores, Corvo) was settled mostly by people from the central Beira province. The traditional houses on these two islands are different from those in the other groups and follow the "Beirão" pattern of living in the upper floor and using the ground floor as a "loja" or storage area for produce and animals.
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Post by Octavivs on May 10, 2004 16:02:27 GMT -5
If Azorean descendents at Santa Catarina have "Iberian-Black-Jewish" ancestry, it doesn't mean that Azoreans are the same... They could get these admixture here in Brazil... No, they aren´t. This stupid fellow who sayd that is probably a retard with German ancestry. The German descendents here in Santa Catarina like to say the Portuguese descendents are Caboclos (Euramerindian) ou partially mulattos. They are proud of been too pale, or have problems with that, and so they say this stupidities. There are a cousin and a uncle of mine who like to say this things. Milky crap.  |
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Post by Octavivs on May 10, 2004 16:14:18 GMT -5
of course they are not ''pure'' azoreans ( if this therm can be applicated ) No they are not, most are mixed with Germans or Italians, even Spaniards... About they having Amerindian ancestry, all this admixtrures here depends of which community we are talking about... Hey, someone, I read a article which was saying that the Azoreans have a high Mongoloid admixture, according to genetic evidence. Is that true? |
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Post by Octavivs on May 10, 2004 16:24:59 GMT -5
That´s interesting, nordicists says that I´m mediterranist , but mestizos and meds says that I´m racist or nordicist... By the way, its true that Italians were not considered whites by some ancient Brazilians eugenists and German colonists, I´m not saying that I agree or disagree with this. Ja vi que este Forum foi fundado por Gregos, Portugas ,mediterranistas , mestiços de todo tipo e outros que não deram certo no Skadi Forum... mas isso não é da minha conta pois vim aqui debater Genetica e Antropolgia e não discutir filosofia de almanaque. See you at Skadi Forum. www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9225www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=95180#post95180 Que Skadi Forum o quê, que que é isso, te orienta... Este Fórum (Dodona) foi fundado por gente que tem origem em civilizações nas quais se baseia toda a nossa e que estavam sendo atacados por imbecis nordicistas ou afrocentristas ignorantes com problemas de auto-afirmação... Pelo que tu falasses, pareces ser mais um... |
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Post by Euclides on Jun 18, 2004 16:43:36 GMT -5
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hum Genet. 2003 Dec;114(1):77-86. Epub 2003 Sep 25 Mitochondrial portraits of the Madeira and Acores archipelagos witness different genetic pools of its settlers ''Madeira displays a stronger sub-Saharan imprint, with haplogroups L1-L3 constituting about 13% of the lineages''  ''African presence in Madeira can be attributed to a direct gene flow from West Africa and not via Portugal'' ----------------------------------------------------------------- Tissue Antigens. 1999 Oct;54(4):349-59. HLA in the Azores Archipelago: possible presence of Mongoloid genes ''Our results indicate that the Azorean population most likely contains an admixture of high-frequency Caucasoid, Mongoloid and, to a lesser degree, Negroid HLA genes'' ''It is proposed that a Mongoloid population exists in Azores (...)'' ----------------------------------------------------------------- Ann Hum Genet. 2000 Nov;64(Pt 6):491-506. Diversity of mtDNA lineages in Portugal: not a genetic edge of European variation. ''Additionally a rather distinct African influence was detected in this Portuguese survey, as signalled by the distributions of haplogroups U6 and L'' ''We hypothesise that the recent Black African slave trade could have been the mediator of most of the L sequence inputs'' ------------------------------------------------------------ Ann Hum Genet. 2003 Sep;67(Pt 5):433-56. Genetic structure and origin of peopling in the Azores islands (Portugal): the view from mtDNA. ''Therefore the presence of Moorish and African slaves on the islands, as reported in historical sources, is supported by the mtDNA genetic data, especially in the Eastern group'' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The full articles you can read at Skadi Forum = www.skadi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=132936#post132936www.skadi.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=88see you there. |
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Post by Euclides on Jun 18, 2004 16:50:09 GMT -5
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Post by Euclides on Jun 18, 2004 16:57:33 GMT -5
Que Skadi Forum o quê, que que é isso, te orienta... Este Fórum (Dodona) foi fundado por gente que tem origem em civilizações nas quais se baseia toda a nossa e que estavam sendo atacados por imbecis nordicistas ou afrocentristas ignorantes com problemas de auto-afirmação... Pelo que tu falasses, pareces ser mais um... Entendo seu orgulho... mas n'ao vamos cair nesta ``banalidade centrista``.Minhas esporadicas e breves visitas por estas paragens se devem a citacao de meu nome feita por outrem, e a boa vontade em divulgar conhecimento.Continuarei a postar no Skadi Forum por uma questao tecnica,e lah estarei receptivo a debates nas areas de interesse ja citadas. um abraco, |
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