The Baltic Race in Russia

[ProdigalSon]

According to Soviet paleoanthropology, the Baltic type formed via gracialization of the Eastern Bruenn race. The Baltic type is characterized by a somewhat broad face, very light, ashen pigmentation, sub-brachycephaly, and a high incidence of concave nasal profiles. In various places, the Baltic type is modified by Pontic and Lappinoid stains. The Baltic type is the most important among ethnic Russians. Here is an anthropometric characterization of the Baltic race according to Bunak:

Head length: 186-195 mm

Cephalic Index: 80-84

Facial height: 123-128 mm

Greatest Facial Breadth: 139 - 144 mm

Facial index: 87 - 90

Nasal Index: 60-67

Stature: 165 - 174 cm

% pure light eyes: 41 - 83

% light hairs (Fischer 9-26): 35 - 75

% upturned noses: 12 - 60

% concave nasal profile: 9 - 41

% smooth upper eyelids: 15 - 43

Any group that falls within these parameters is classified as predominantly Baltic by Soviet anthropologists. The most common type among Russians, the "Illmen-Whitelake" type, is predominantly Baltic, but modified by various other strains in various regions. One must keep in mind that Soviet anthropologists deal as much with 'anthropological zones', where a given type predominates, mixing with other types on its periphery, as they do with discrete types. It is also worth mentioning that the Baltic race is viewed as a genetic entity as much as it is an anthropological entity. Several groups, such as Mogilyov Belarussians, Illmen Russians, and Illmen-Dnepr Ukrainians are metrically Nordic, but considered to be derived from the Baltic race by Soviet anthopologists, and are thus classified as Baltic.

Anthropometry for Illmen-Whitelake Russians:

Head Length: 189.5 mm.

Cephalic Index: 81.6

Facial Length: 127.3 mm.

Maximum Facial Breadth: 140.7 mm

Facial index: 90.3

Nasal Index: 63.3*

Stature: 167.0 cm

% pure light eyes: 49

% light hairs: 46

% concave noses: 9

% upturned noses: 27

% smooth upper eyelid: 15

*Soviet anthropologists use two nasal indices: one measure from the brow, and one measured from the nasion. I do not know which one was used in this case.

[Kukul-Kan]

Would you classify her as Baltic?





She’s a Russian speaking Ukrainian that lives in Mexico.

[ProdigalSon]

Kukul-Kan said:

Would you classify her as Baltic?

Yes I would. I would also classify her as "really hot" ;D

Ukrainians cluster midway between Central European and Baltic ethnicities, but are closer to Balts. They are basically a thorough Baltic-Alpine blend with Mediterranean and Turkic (Med + Mongoloid) strains in various places. Volhynian Ukrainians have preserved the robust, ungracialized character of the Eastern Bruenn race to a greater degree than any other Eastern European group.

[AWAR]

I'd just like to add that a great number of Turkic peoples were just turkified Irano-Afghan tribes.

[ProdigalSon]

AWAR said:

I'd just like to add that a great number of Turkic peoples were just turkified Irano-Afghan tribes.

When I refer to the "Turkic" type, I am speaking of the type that Western anthropologists call "Turanid." It is a Pontic-Mongoloid blend, with the Pontic element being dominant. Most Chuvashis and Bashkirs belong to this type.

[AWAR]

ProdigalSon said:

When I refer to the "Turkic" type, I am speaking of the type that Western anthropologists call "Turanid." It is a Pontic-Mongoloid blend, with the Pontic element being dominant. Most Chuvashis and Bashkirs belong to this type.

Oh, ok.

So, what phenotypes ( not ethnicities ) would you say took major roles in shaping Ukrainians into what they are today. What about the old Iranian tribes ( Aryan ), Balts, Slavs and of course the 'infamous' mongol invasions?

[ProdigalSon]

AWAR said:

Oh, ok.

So, what phenotypes ( not ethnicities ) would you say took major roles in shaping Ukrainians into what they are today. What about the old Iranian tribes ( Aryan ), Balts, Slavs and of course the 'infamous' mongol invasions?

As I said, Ukrainians cluster between Central Europeans (Czechs, Southern Germans and Hungarians) and Balts, but closer to Balts. The most important element in the Ukraine is Baltic-however, it is found only in strong solution with other stocks. Also, as I mentioned, Volhynian Ukrainians have preserved the rugged charcateristics of the proto-Baltic type. The Ukraine, being a clinical area between the Alpine and Baltic types also has strong Alpine influence, in fact, Carpathian Ukrainians are very typical Alpines. In addition to the most important elements (Baltic and Alpine), Pontic and Turanid strains are represented in the Ukraine. The Pontic strains arrived via migration of aincient tribes from the Caucasus to the Black Sea. The Turkic strains are from assimilation of various Turkic tribes, including the Avars, the Khazars, the Polovetz, and the Tatars. Interestingly enough, the Tatar mongol invasion affected the ethnic Ukrainian population far more from an anthropological standpoint than it did the Russian population.

[Kukul-Kan]

ProdigalSon said:

Yes I would. I would also classify her as "really hot" ;D

Yes she’s very attractive. She’s part of the eastern European (Most are Poles but some Russians have arrived as well) immigration Mexico City is having from some years now. Most are good educated people that integrate very well in the society.

Polish actress, Ludwika Paleta:

[HINDI]

What part of the Polish population is actually Slavic?

[JohnnyReb]

HINDI said:

What part of the Polish population is actually Slavic?

Slavic as opposed to what? About 98% of the country is ethnically Polish. The non-Polish minority is North Slavic and German.

[HINDI]

Are these ethnic Poles Slavs by race?

[JohnnyReb]

Slavic is a linguistic/cultural term. Slavs can be anything from Halstatt Nordics UP types to Alpines to Dinarics to Mediterraneans. Poles are a Slavic people, made up predominantly of Baltic, Nordic, and Alpine types I believe.

[Praetor]

ProdigalSon said:

Interestingly enough, the Tatar mongol invasion affected the ethnic Ukrainian population far more from an anthropological standpoint than it did the Russian population.

I don't think that this fact is so interesting.After all the mongol Golden horde was mainly present in the Ukraine,not Russia.