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[geirr]

one of the most recognisable people;

www.che-lives.com/home/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/pics/chen4.jpg

www.che-lives.com/home/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/pics/che302s.jpg

www.che-lives.com/home/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/pics/gbmche09.jpg

any classification?

[eufrenio]

Hello, I am new to this forum!

Guevara is a basque (spanish) name. I´d say since the Che was from the hinterland in Argentina, there´s a strong chance he´d have some amerindian admixture...
He looks like he has some indian blood... Notice the scanty beard and slanted eyes.. He´d look foreign anywhere in Spain.

[Artemidoros]

I have also read somewhere he was part Irish. His surname was Guevara Lynch if I remember correctly.

[Melnorme]

[Praetor]

If I remember correct his father was Irish and his mother mestiza.

[AWAR]

Handsome dude. To me he looks like a mix of various UP types present in westernmost Europe. ( Brunn-ish types ).

[Kukul-Kan]

“El Che” Guevara looks Mestizo.He even looks in certain pictures like the Mexican Comedian “Cantinflas”. By the way he claimed to be a descendant of one of the Viceroys of Peru.



On the contrary tow other “revolutionaries” that were completely Caucasoid were Castro(Galician and Sephardim) and Cienfuegos(100% of Spanish ancestry).

[geirr]

I don't care for his politics much but I thought his background is worth discussing. I know that he has Basque and Irish blood but I always thought by his appearance that he was mestizo as well.
This sight has a picture of him and his parents and also discusses his irish roots in more detail.

www.fantompowa.net/Flame/che_guevara_irish_roots.htm

[Razmig]

All hspanics have European sirnames, In his first picture he looks like a CHEnk (Chinese). Id say hes very much a mestizo.

[geirr]

Razmig said:

All hspanics have European sirnames, In his first picture he looks like a CHEnk (Chinese). Id say hes very much a mestizo.

most hispanics have european surnames but not all are mestizo. he isn't chinese that I'm certain of.

[Kukul-Kan]

Most Latin Americans have Iberian Surnames but there are others, including mixed ones, who have surnames with other origins, such as German, French, British, Japanese etc.As far as I now the only Amerindians who have kept their native surnames in Mexico are the Mayas from Yucatán peninsula whereas all the others have adopted Spanish surnames.

Take for instance this Mestizo with an Italian surname, Borgetti(although it was originally spelled Borghetti)

[Silveira]

To Kukul-Kan:

Is Castro verifiably part Sephardim? His father was an illiterate Galician immigrant of peasant stock who owned a sugar plantation and his mother was a local Cuban woman who was a former domestic at his father´s plantation. Neither of the two are likely to have been of Sephardic ancestry, although Castro does have a somewhat "semitic" physical appearance, which is not uncommon in Galicia or the rest of Spain and does not necessarily indicate heavy Sephardic ancestry.

Regarding Che, his ancestors belonged to the land-owning elite of Mendoza in western Argentina. Ethnically, I think he was mostly Spanish with some Indian and Irish mixed in. The people from this particular region of Argentina resemble Chileans (Mediterranean with significant Indian mixture) more than Argentines from the River Plate region (mostly Mediterranean).

[Kukul-Kan]

I posted an article written by a Cuban dissident on the original Racial Myths board on this subject. Incidentally I also doubted about Castro’s Jewish connections until “Herman Cortez” brought it up. Unfortunately I can’t find that article now. It said Castro’s Mother wasn’t the maid but the daughter of a Jewish merchant from Turkey that had been Castro’s father’s boss as well. It argued that the known story of Castro’s Mother being a cook was created for proletarian propagandistic purposes.

Anyway the story might be true or not. Another version is that Castro wasn’t Jewish at all but was called “Judío” by his schoolmates because he hadn’t been baptized.

By the way, apparently according to “El País” Castro still owns some property in Galicia.

[Silveira]

In my opinion both stories, Castro´s "proletarian" mother and Castro´s "Jewish" mother, may or may not be true.

In fact, both sound like convenient propaganda for either the Communist pro-Castro faction, who wanted to make Castro as "working-class" as possible, or the anti-Castro faction in light of the fact that in Iberian countries the pro-Catholic Church groups have frequently accused anti-Catholic politicians of being "new-christian", Jewish, protestant heretics, or whatever as a means of descrediting them in the eyes of the ardently Roman Catholic populace in the past. For example, the pro-Masonic and anti-clerical Portuguese statesman Afonso Costa was accused of being a "Cristão-Novo" centuries after they ceased to exist in Portugal as an identifiable ethnic/religious group.

The fact that Castro "looks Jewish" means little. Remember that in "March of the Titans" even Francisco Franco, a devout Catholic Galician, was accused of being "Jewish" because of his physical appearance and because he disliked Hitler and his policies.

[Kukul-Kan]

Franco might or might not have had “Converso” Jewish ancestry. We cannot know for sure. But anyone who has read a little about the Spanish Civil War and Franco’s Government would realize he was miles away from being part of the “International Jewry” or even being pro-Jewish.

Spain didn’t even recognize the State of Israel until Franco had passed away in the 70’s. I believe there was even a policy of receiving Palestinian students in Spanish Colleges before Franco’s death.

Arthur Kemp seems to ignore the fact the Jews that fought in the Spanish Civil War did it on the Republican side with the International Brigades, where even American Blacks were enlisted.