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Post by AWAR on Dec 23, 2003 21:10:27 GMT -5
Do you really think everyone with a broad face have alpinid (central european heritage)? Nope, Alpinids are not exclusively European. I can understand the name 'Alpinid' causing confusion, but it's just a label for many different people with similar or same cranial dimensions. Phenotype usually has nothing to do with DNA. There are Dinaric people from Spain to Uzbekistan. They look similar, but they are not related. You're confusing the label 'Alpinid' with location. Alpinids have nothing to do with Alps. |
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 23, 2003 21:40:28 GMT -5
They are basically a bunch of Dinarics. They don't look 'Arab' in the popular sense of the word, although they do have an easily recognizable Middle Eastern facial expression, IMO.
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Post by AWAR on Dec 23, 2003 21:51:36 GMT -5
They are basically a bunch of Dinarics. They don't look 'Arab' in the popular sense of the word, although they do have an easily recognizable Middle Eastern facial expression, IMO. Dinarics are ( according to Coon ) a stabilized product of mixing between Meds and Alpinids. Great mystery  |
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Post by Razmig on Dec 24, 2003 4:14:13 GMT -5
"Arab" lands were not historically Arab....the true Arab lands are Saudi Arabia, South Iraq, Jordan, Egypt OMAN YEMEN etc...the rest are just Arabized peoples, Syrians are not real Arabs. Assad is an Assuri last name.
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 24, 2003 9:48:51 GMT -5
"Arab" lands were not historically Arab....the true Arab lands are Saudi Arabia, South Iraq, Jordan, Egypt OMAN YEMEN etc...the rest are just Arabized peoples, Syrians are not real Arabs. Assad is an Assuri last name. Actually, in ancient times, Damascus, the capital of Syria, was considered to be the northern border of 'Arabia'. Damascus IS at the southern tip of the country, though. |
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Post by Berter on Dec 24, 2003 14:39:07 GMT -5
I just want to add this :
1. AL ASSAD cannot be an assyrian last name....if it was so, this will be well known in the arabic region (particularly in syria...problem similar to that of the jews names in EUROPE!)....Being assyrian, AL ASSAD (the father, and then his son) wouldnt certainly be elected president of AL BAAS party & the arabic republic of SYRIA. AL BAAS is, as I stated above, a party exclusively for arabs...
2. In fact, "assad" is an arabic name meaning "lion"...it is an old personal name in ancient ARABIA: in the fore_islamic period, a tribe (banou assad) was named after its ancestor whose name is assad --->( banou assad = the sons of assad),
3. I'll prepare a post on the eventual racial background of the arab race....
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Post by hantendon on Dec 26, 2003 2:48:05 GMT -5
It's true, President Assad is Arab (well Allawites are not really true Arabs), however I have also, like Razmig, heard of some Assyrians with that same last name 'Assad'. And it is certainly not out of the question for Assad's family to be of Assyrian origin, if you go back several hundred years. Regarding Assad's origin:
- His father's family is originally from a tribe which originated from the Eastern Syrian desert, which is anthropometically and culturally tied to North Iraq (ancient Assyrian territory) rather than 'Al-Sham' (Syria Proper - Aramean territory)
- Allawites, like Druzes, Syriacs, Maronites, speak Syriac in their religious liturgy and writings, and claim a Mesopotamian origin. Like Assyrians, they are of the few originally (and presently) mountainous Semitic peoples today.
- There are two geographic groups of Assyrians - eastern and western - the latter group is sometimes referred to as Syriacs, who include the above groups along with Syriac-speaking Jacobites in Syria and Southern Turkey.
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Post by Berter on Dec 26, 2003 14:25:06 GMT -5
It's true, President Assad is Arab (well Allawites are not really true Arabs), however I have also, like Razmig, heard of some Assyrians with that same last name 'Assad'. And it is certainly not out of the question for Assad's family to be of Assyrian origin, if you go back several hundred years. Regarding Assad's origin: - His father's family is originally from a tribe which originated from the Eastern Syrian desert, which is anthropometically and culturally tied to North Iraq (ancient Assyrian territory) rather than 'Al-Sham' (Syria Proper - Aramean territory) - Allawites, like Druzes, Syriacs, Maronites, speak Syriac in their religious liturgy and writings, and claim a Mesopotamian origin. Like Assyrians, they are of the few originally (and presently) mountainous Semitic peoples today. - There are two geographic groups of Assyrians - eastern and western - the latter group is sometimes referred to as Syriacs, who include the above groups along with Syriac-speaking Jacobites in Syria and Southern Turkey. ---------------------- * HANTENDON...you have to be careful : ASSYRIANS are not a semitic people....I invite you to read this Kemp's page: www.white-history.com/hwr7.htm**I think that the ASSAD familly is not of arabic origin (may be assyrian). I started this tread to share this thought: many arabic peoples believe they are arabs...which is true only from a culture point of vue!.....racially speaking they are not!.....just like most turkey residents are not absolutely turkish!!.... What do you think RUSALKA!? |
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 26, 2003 15:02:30 GMT -5
---------------------- * HANTENDON...you have to be careful : ASSYRIANS are not a semitic people.... Uh, yes they are. Arthur Kemp is ( also ) full of shit. www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MESO/ASSYRIA.HTM |
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Post by Berter on Dec 26, 2003 15:27:33 GMT -5
MELNORME...who is full of shit...in plus of ARTHUR KEMP!? |
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Post by rusalka on Dec 26, 2003 15:29:34 GMT -5
**I think that the ASSAD familly is not of arabic origin (may be assyrian). I started this tread to share this thought: many arabic peoples believe they are arabs...which is true only from a culture point of vue!.....racially speaking they are not!.....just like most turkey residents are not absolutely turkish!!.... What do you think RUSALKA!? Hey easy there zr. I know most presidents of Turkey are not Turkish. The current President has Circassian ancestry (I think he's about half). Prime Minister Ozal was Kurdish. The Foreign Minister is Sabbetian, which means he has Jewish origins from Thessaloniki. As far as I know, the first President Ataturk (Mustafa Kemal), the founder of Turkey was half Greek or half Bulgarian. He was born in Thessaloniki and he has an unmistakebly Alpine phenotype, with some other admixture I assume, a very depigmented type. If you come to look at the Sultans of the Ottoman Empire, they did not have a drop of ethnic Turkish blood. The custom of the palace was to marry non-Turks so that the Turkish families would not gain power within the government or claim the throne if the Sultan failed to produce an offpsring. The Pashas (commanders) of the War of Independence of Turkey were mostly Caucasians, a great number of Abhkazians and Adyghe among them. There have been and still are lot of people in the government who come from assimilated Armenian or Greek background because both the populations were great 100 years ago. They did not all flee, some changed names and kept a low profile in order to remain in the lands they called home. I'm not offended by the fact that many of Turkey's past and present rulers are not ethnically Turkish. Ottoman Empire's policy was not nationalistic, it was an Empire, and the first class citizenship was determined not by nation but by religion. If you were to become a Muslim even if you were of Slavic, Circassian, Armenian or whatever heritage, you could even be the Grand Vizier (as Mehmed Pasha Sokolovic did). Modern day Turkish policy, however, is based on nationality; although this does not mean ethnicity. One who identifies as "Turkish" is Turkish for most people. Of course this whole identity business is pretty tricky for Armenians, Greeks and Jewish people as their religion is what identifies them first and foremost. Kurdish people, Circassians (well, most of them), the Laz, Albanians, Bosniaks, Georgians call themselves "Turkiyeli" which means "from Turkey" but cling on to their ethnic heritage. As someone who does not have an ethnic claim to Turkishness, I personally don't mind the presidents or any other person being not ethnically Turkish. In fact, I am for ethnic identities being preserved instead of being assimilated and eventually lost. |
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 26, 2003 15:41:56 GMT -5
MELNORME...who is full of shit...in plus of ARTHUR KEMP!? LOL, I was talking about HFK Guenther, not you. Read Tblisi's post about Alpines. |
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Post by Berter on Dec 26, 2003 16:10:04 GMT -5
MELNORME...are you an ISRAELI!?....what about ISRAEL!?....Do israelis consider themselves fully semitic!.....!?....dont you think they are a mixture of approximately 2000 ys between semites (ancient hebrews) and other peoples ....!?...
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Post by Melnorme on Dec 26, 2003 16:20:00 GMT -5
MELNORME...are you an ISRAELI!?....what about ISRAEL!?....Do israelis consider themselves fully semitic!.....!? Depends what country their families came from. Yeah, something like that. |
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Post by AWAR on Dec 26, 2003 17:39:53 GMT -5
Semites are a linguistic category, just like Slavs or Turks. There can be dozens of types who are Semitic/Slavic/Turkic.
For example, you can find Turks who are almost fully Mongolian in appearance, all the way to most 'Arabic' looking Turks. Slavs come in all variations of Europoid etc.
As far as I can remember Zr200337 doesn't look very Arabic at all, he looks more like a prehistoric type of North African.
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