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Post by Anayomous on Dec 14, 2003 17:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Necronomicom on Dec 14, 2003 18:52:00 GMT -5
Bi and Tri-racial Brazilians
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Post by Anayomous on Dec 14, 2003 19:06:42 GMT -5
You're abosolutely right! These women are Brazilian and they are known as "morenas."
A morena or moreno is a person in Brazil who has tan skin, dark eyes, and dark hair. The term in Portuguese and Spanish can be translated to mean "brown."
Morena clara(a dark-tanned person) and morena(a bronzed skinned person) are the most common classifications. But, there are over a dozen different classifications of moreno/morena such as these:
Morena (tan)
Morena-bem-chegada (very tan)
Morena-bronzeada (bronzed tan)
Morena-canelada (cinnamonlike brunette)
Morena-castanha (cashewlike tan)
Morena clara (light tan)
Morena-cor-de-canela (cinnamon-hued brunette)
Morena-jambo (dark red)
Morenada (mocha)
Morena-escura (dark tan)
Morena-fechada (very dark, almost mulatta)
Morenão (very dusky tan)
Morena-parda (brown-hued tan)
Morena-roxa (purplish-tan)
Morena-ruiva (reddish-tan)
Morena-trigueira (wheat colored)
Although the broad term is mostly a reference to one's skin color rather than racial orientation, almost all morenos/morenas to some or degree or another show physical signs of of mixed Portuguese/African/AmerIndian ancestery. In fact, morena/moreno is a more politically correct way in Brazil to refer to a mulatto. The two terms are synaomous in that country. But, a dark-skinned or sun baked white person(no more an oxymoron in Brazil than light-skinned black is in the U.S) could also fit the classification also.
You may ask, "Why do such beautiful women face extinction?"
As far back as the 1980's, Brazil put into practice a population control/sterilization program which tageted mostly towards the poor in order to control their population, since poor people in third world and developing regions tend to have the most children. These programs were sponsored in part by Planned Parenthood. The region in Brazil that I suspect has fallen prey to this policy the most is the poor, rural region of the Northeast states, which looks like where most of the women pictured above come from
Even though this program was design to reduce poverty, there may be more of a sinister ulterior motive. Planned Parenthood, abortion, and sterilization are issues championed by the Left in the U.S. But, population control may take on more racists overtones in Latin America. Most people forget that Magret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a white supremist who policies were instrumental in Nazi Germany. It just so happens that most of the poor population in Brazil happens to be black and mulatto. It is estimated now that up to %40 of the women in Brazil are sterilized. That is exactly the percentage of the mulutto population in Brazil! The Northeast region of the county, where probably most sterilization have taken place, is heavily mulatto/moreno. This policy was implemented less in the more urban, industrial, more phonotypicaly white Southeast region of the county. This is not to mention that the Northeast has a higher infant mortality rate that the Southeast
The latest population census has shown where the population growth rate has risen from %0.8 to %1.15 in 2003. But, this growth is probably among white urban middle class Southeasterners rather than povery striken black/mulatto Northeasterns.
Even though white supremists inside and outside of Brazil may rejoice over the the prospect of a more phonotyically white or European Brazil, they will never be able to rid the country of people who show physical signs of African ancestery. Recent DNA data suggest that %80 percent of the population has some black ancestery. The current racial concensus in Brazil is %54 so-called white, %39 mulatto, and %11 percent black. This means that not only is it just blacks and mulatto that have African ancestery but also a majority of native whites. Native whites are of Portuguese ancestery as opposed to German, Italian, Dutch, and Spanish immigrants. People who belong to immigrant white groups frequently marry native whites who sometimes show visable signs of black ancestery. They also intermarry with blacks and mulattoes, since interracial marriages are not as typically frown upon in Brazil as in America. As a result, African phonotype will always be present in some form, at least as an admixture in the Brazilian people.
Plus, there is such a thing as "throwback" or "retro" genes. Even in America, mostly in the South, there are white families who have distant black ancestery going back to the antebellum period. Some of these families can have phenotypically white descendents for many generations. Then, all of a sudden, a person having wavy hair, or an olive colored, or full-lips, or a slight concave nose in a Seemingly WASPy family. These individuals have been the subject of "tragic mulatto" or "passing" literature and films in America. If this can happen to some white American, who overall do not nearly have as much black in them overall as white Brazilians, it seems like to me it would be impossible to exterminate the African phenotype altogether.
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Post by rusalka on Dec 14, 2003 19:14:49 GMT -5
You're abosolutely right! These women are Brazilian and they are known as "morenas." A morena or moreno is a person in Brazil who has tan skin, dark eyes, and dark hair. The term in Portuguese and Spanish can be translated to mean "brown." Morena clara(a dark-tanned person) and morena(a bronzed skinned person) are the most common classifications. But, there are over a dozen different classifications of moreno/morena such as these: Morena (tan) Morena-bem-chegada (very tan) Morena-bronzeada (bronzed tan) Morena-canelada (cinnamonlike brunette) Morena-castanha (cashewlike tan) Morena clara (light tan) Morena-cor-de-canela (cinnamon-hued brunette) Morena-jambo (dark red) Morenada (mocha) Morena-escura (dark tan) Morena-fechada (very dark, almost mulatta) Morenão (very dusky tan) Morena-parda (brown-hued tan) Morena-roxa (purplish-tan) Morena-ruiva (reddish-tan) Morena-trigueira (wheat colored) I could have never thought that there would be so many names and classifications for skin tone. I can only think of fair, wheat, olive and dark myself. I was just going to ask what "morena clara" was, after reading it on the website. So do all moreno/morenas have mixed ancestry or would a white person who has olive skin be classified as one of these? |
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Post by Necronomicom on Dec 14, 2003 19:23:42 GMT -5
 Morena = brunette, or a WHITE person with dark features, such as very dark hair. These women are pardos (browns) and mulatas (black + white), many Brazilian mestizos describe themselves as morenos because they don't like the term pardo or mulato and because they want to get accepted into our white society.
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Post by alex221166 on Dec 14, 2003 21:34:22 GMT -5
You're abosolutely right! These women are Brazilian and they are known as "morenas." A morena or moreno is a person in Brazil who has tan skin, dark eyes, and dark hair. The term in Portuguese and Spanish can be translated to mean "brown." Actually, that word has different meanings in Portugal and in Brazil. In Portugal, someone is "moreno" if he is dark-haired, even though it can also be used for skin colour (ex. estás com a pele morena de estares ao sol). In the good old Napster days, I started chatting with a Brazilian young woman, and it was funny to notice her reaction when I said that I was "moreno" (as in dark brown-haired). She immediately started saying that she wasn't racist, and it took a while for me to explain that "moreno" means different things in Portugal and in Brazil. |
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Post by Necronomicom on Dec 14, 2003 21:58:06 GMT -5
Actually, that word has different meanings in Portugal and in Brazil. In Portugal, someone is "moreno" if he is dark-haired, even though it can also be used for skin colour (ex. estás com a pele morena de estares ao sol). In the good old Napster days, I started chatting with a Brazilian young woman, and it was funny to notice her reaction when I said that I was "moreno" (as in dark brown-haired). She immediately started saying that she wasn't racist, and it took a while for me to explain that "moreno" means different things in Portugal and in Brazil. moreno used to have the same meaning here as well, but after the muds started to use it to describe themselves the word completely changed its meaning. now moreno is just another word for pardo, mulato, nordestino, mud, non-white, etc |
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Post by geirr on Dec 15, 2003 6:38:16 GMT -5
I don't speak portuguese but I assume that 'moreno' is not a racial classification, The word 'brunette' can also mean someone with dark skin pigmentation as well as dark hair. I have to tell you that I think Giorgia is my definitive Brazilian Beauty.  |
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Post by herrx on Dec 15, 2003 9:45:09 GMT -5
Typical Northeastern Brazilians...
Maybe they're "Baianas".
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Post by great99 on Dec 16, 2003 12:11:38 GMT -5
These aren't official classifications, but self classifications. There are much more like this.
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