classify these guys & guest nationality

[zel]

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[Praetor]

Everybody can clearly see that behind the guy in 3 group of images it says,Euskadi!!!!Basque!Who is the second guy anyway?Jordi Puyol?

[AWAR]

They seem to be Brunn-AtlantoMed mix.

[zel]

I thought native name Euskadi wouldn't be very known in the world.

This thread is a little a joke ;D. There is another thread, opened by galvez, that uses a Spanish flag, with a photo of Spanish president Aznar to classify and guess.

So it was happened to me to put the photos of the enemies of Aznar, the three Basque nationalists leaders:

1.IBARRETXE. President of Euskadi. At the moment, apparently, First public enemy in Spain.

2 ARZALLUZ . The head of the Basque Nationalistic Party.

3 OTEGI . Leader of Batasuna. Illegalized party in Spain four months ago to be supposedly the ETA politic arm.

From an antropologic point of view, perhaps it can also have interest, because the three are totally Basque in origin. Supposedly they would be representative of old north iberian or aquitanian, supposedly isolated genetically for thousands of years without mixture with goths, romans, north africans or jews.

[rusalka]

To me it's interesting to see that these men look somewhat similar to Northwestern Caucasians, namely the Circassians (Adyghe-Abkhaz)

There have been, and still are, theories that the Basque language, which is a non-Indo European language; is akin to the Nortwestern Caucasian languages which are unique in the area, and are not Indo-European either. In addition, as far as I know, there is research being made (now, and in the past) to find out any actual genetic link between these two people.

Most Adyghe-Abkhaz people have a certain eye shape, which I find hard to explain, but I see a similarity with that in these men. Most NW Caucasians are classified as Pontid (and I think most of them as Northern Pontid as fair skin is almost always the case, and their pigmentation is usually light both in hair and eyes) and these men are classified as Atlanto-Med by AWAR. I think (not by myself but talking to people who know more about it: ie. ProdigalSon and dalonord) Pontid and Atlanto-Med are similar sub-racial types too.

Here are two links to Abkhazian men, if anyone would care to comment on the similarity, or lack thereof.

www.c-r.org/accord/geor-ab/accord7/images/Ardzinba.jpg

www.kebzeh.org/images/murat.jpg


(sorry I still haven't figured out how to post photos directly instead of linking to them)

[Melnorme]

rusalka said:

I think (not by myself but talking to people who know more about it: ie. ProdigalSon and dalonord) Pontid and Atlanto-Med are similar sub-racial types too.

"Along the northern and western shores of the Black Sea are found, among other
populations, brunet Mediterraneans of a generalized type, called Pontic by the Russian
anthropologists, who are usually of medium to tall stature and who seem related on the
one hand to the Atlanto-Mediterraneans and on the other to the long-faced Mediter-
ranean prototype of Asia Minor and the Caucasus."

[rusalka]

Melnorme said:

"Along the northern and western shores of the Black Sea are found, among other
populations, brunet Mediterraneans of a generalized type, called Pontic by the Russian
anthropologists, who are usually of medium to tall stature and who seem related on the
one hand to the Atlanto-Mediterraneans and on the other to the long-faced Mediter-
ranean prototype of Asia Minor and the Caucasus."

Well yes, of course it's all there in the literature too; but ProdigalSon is really well versed especially in the Russian and that area's phenotypes, I had asked his opinion about it because he has access to sources in Russian too. I think, these days even more so, they are thought to be linked more closely. The Northern Pontids are not generally brunettes though, and have a high percentage of light hair and even a higher percentage of light colored eyes.

I wanted to give credit to these two people because otherwise, especially after talking to them at lenght over e-mail and PM, it would be very rude not to.

[caucasoid]

A language group called "Sino-Dagestanic" has been proposed which contains North Caucasian, Yenisei-Ostyak, Sino-Tibetan and Na-Dene. Basque has been included within this group of languages as well, and some other unusual languages.

However Na-Dene is not as well supported as Nostratic or Eurasiatic, and Basque is unlikely to be related to other "Sino-Dagestanic" languages, in my opinion.

Basque mignt actually be part of a Eurasiatic group.

[rusalka]

caucasoid said:

A language group called "Sino-Dagestanic" has been proposed which contains North Caucasian, Yenisei-Ostyak, Sino-Tibetan and Na-Dene. Basque has been included within this group of languages as well, and some other unusual languages.

I wasn't aware of this grouping; and although I'm not a linguist nor can I claim knowledge on the languages other than NW Caucasian I somehow find it rather unlikely.

Here's a thread I just started and gathered up some information; and added some of my own. For anyone interested (who wants to discuss the Caucasian languages themselves and/or their possible relation to Basque or any other language):

dodona.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=guess&action=post&thread=1071346859"e=1071543456&start=0


As far as racial classifications go, which was the original subject of this thread; I wrote down some information about the NW Caucasians here:

dodona.proboards24.com/index.cgi?board=physanth&action=display&thread=1071546143