This Italian looks like your average Puerto Rican.

[gambler32]

drooperdoo said:

Lurker4now,
It's easy to tell Puerto Ricans from Mexicans. The average Mexican has far more Aztec genetic influence.

gambler> True ,and the average Puerto Rican has way more Negroid in them.


drooperado>And the Caribbean Indians of Puerto Rico have an entirely different look. [Caribbean Indians are from South America.]


gambler> The Carribean indians(tainos) were from around Venezuela.Those Indians are more asiatic looking,than Mexican indians.

drooperado> As one rises in the socio-economic classes of both Mexico and Puerto Rico, the people would be indistiguishable--because they would be the descendants of Spaniards.

gambler> makes sense,but not always the case.

drooperado> But toward the middle and lower-classes, the looks change [based on the Amerinidic influences]. Aztecs tend to be squatter--like the Mongolian populace they came from. The stereotype [and I know it's mean--forgive me] is that they have smallish hooked noses, neckless torsos, and an Amerindic lack of body hair. [I mean, who hasn't seen the poor Mexican kid attempting to grow a mustache and it comes out like a Chinese fu manchu--just hair at the corners of their mouths?


gambler> drooperado,in what state do you live in? The Mexicans i see in Califorrnia, many can grow beards,mustaches ,goates. And many are taller than 6'0 foot. Remember i live in a state were thier is a population of over 9 million people of Mexican descent.

[humantag]

bv

k5125 said:

From NY I mean. Doesn't he?

k5125, where are you from? Have you ever been to NY? Take it from a New Yorker - Puerto Ricans in NY look
nothing like this.

.... Well, they rarely look like this.

They are usually conspicuously mulatto, which Michael Imperioli (the actor whose pic you posted here - 'Spider' from 'Goodfellas' and 'Christopher' on 'The Sopranos') most certainly is not. Could he pass for a white Puerto Rican? Sure. But there aren't that many white PRs in NY. Most look more like the rapper 'Fat Joe'.

A PR that looked like this would be a PR that looks Italian - an Italian that looks like this is certainlyt NOT a an Italian that looks like a PR.

[k5125]

humantag said:

bv

k5125 said:

From NY I mean. Doesn't he?

k5125, where are you from? Have you ever been to NY? Take it from a New Yorker - Puerto Ricans in NY look
nothing like this.

.... Well, they rarely look like this.

They are usually conspicuously mulatto, which Michael Imperioli (the actor whose pic you posted here - 'Spider' from 'Goodfellas' and 'Christopher' on 'The Sopranos') most certainly is not. Could he pass for a white Puerto Rican? Sure. But there aren't that many white PRs in NY. Most look more like the rapper 'Fat Joe'.

A PR that looked like this would be a PR that looks Italian - an Italian that looks like this is certainlyt NOT a an Italian that looks like a PR.

Well honestly I have not been to NY that much actually. I live right next to Camden City and Philly though which has a decent amount of Puerto Ricans.

But when I saw the movie clockers I was like WOW, now that guy looks some of the puerto ricans around my area. You had to see the movie. Again, it could have been his demeanor which is a deceiving factor sometimes too.

[humantag]

holyjesus said:

So you are saying that you can't racially categorize a person as being Puerto Rican as they can be caucasoid, negroid, mestizo, and other mixtures. Well, why did k5215 think that a caucasoid Dinarid Italo American looked like a Puerto Rican?
I would really appreciate it if you all stopped mentioning that effing Turturro guy because he doesn't look like your stereotype of some Italo American. How do you know he is Italian descended anyway? He could be the descendent of some gypsy or South Asian who passed as Italian after he entered the States. You never know with Americans what is in their family tree.

I think you make a great point here that should be appreciated by DODONA posters who have never been to America - NEVER take an American's claim of ancestry at face value.

Having said that, while it is true that Nicholas Turturro is in some sense 'darker' or perhaps more 'Arabesque' in appearance than most Southern Italians, he has two equally famous siblings with more conventional southern European looks (John Turturro and Aida Turturro). In fact, sister Aida (Tony Sopranos fat, ex-hippie sister on "The Sopranos") could convincingly play Northern European roles.

Does this suggest Nick is a step brother? I doubt it. This phenomenon of one sibling being notably darker or more 'exotic' looking than the rest of the brood (or else one sibling being much lighter than the rest of the brood) is not uncommon among Mediterraneans.

In any event, by way of reality check, it should be pointed out that Nick Turturro would be considered relatively pale in any Arab or North African state, so the whole issue is somewhat overblown to begin with. The suggestion that Nick Turturro could pass for South Asian is absurd. He's just a dark Italian, in a southern Italian family which obviously has Arabs or Berbers in the woodpile.

[Ponto Hardbottle]

Believe this or not, I have never seen Turturro in any film and cannot picture him except he is mentioned so often by the "Sicilians are mulatto" brigades as some evidence of some negroid admixture in Southern Italians. I am living now in Australia, and I can tell you that here Sicilians are just Italians and do not look all that different to other Italians despite the hype. There are lots of Lebanese here too, muslims and Christians, the muslims look more exotic but both groups do not, except for a small minority, look European.
Levantine people are caucasoid but not Mediterranids. They are mostly Armenoid mixed with some Orientalid and Turanid. They are of Eastern caucasoid origin. Italians are not Mediterranids either being mostly dark Dinarids, light Dinarids and Alpinids.
I don't know much about Mexicans, Puerto Ricans and other Americanoid peoples as I lived in NW USA where there weren't many of them. The ones I know are the ones everyone knows from the media. They generally look mixed and could be placed on the same cline as black Americans from black to mixed looking to white. The difference is Puerto Ricans have more Amerindian admixture. Amerindians were not exactly light skinned especially the Southern ones.

[wade]

nicholas turturro looks part arab

[sergio]

droperado> In similar genetic tests, they found that where white Puerto Ricans are mixed it's usually with Indians--not blacks. . . . Whereas in Cuba, the opposite is true.

The only genetic study of any Cuban population I know, was carried out in the province of Pinar del Rio. The results were that the white population had a 5% black admixture, the black population had a 13% white admixture and the mulato population had a 47% black admixture. No mention of indigenous ancestry there.

Another study was conducted in the same province grouping blacks, whites and mulatoes together focusing on their Mtdna and the result was 50% European mtdna, 46% African and 4% native. The reason for this study was to see if there was any relation between ancestry and a disease which became virulent in the early nineties in Cuba. The result was that there was not. The reasons for the two separate studies were quite different.

[sergio]

"According to the CIA's world factbook--updated last month: Cuba's population is--mulatto 51%, white 37%, black 11%, Chinese 1% .
So when you add "mulatto" and "black" together, you get a country where blacks are 62% -- and whites a mere 37%
Puerto Rico's is, by contrast--white 80.5%, black 8%, Amerindian 0.4%, Asian 0.2%, mixed and other 10.9%
So Puerto Rico has a smaller black population than the United States [which is 12.9%]. And Cuba--like a photo-negative--has a vastly larger black population than it's white population: Which stands to reason--since it was a plantation colony with African slaves and a few white plantation owners."

NO, you stated that Cuba was like 80% black and that "all whites left" both statements are incorrect. Even the statistics you cited do not support your claims. Your statement that it was a plantation colony with a "few white plantation owners" is also totally false. You should read more about Cuban history or even better yet, go there and travel the length of the island.

First I did say that today when you combine blacks and multoes they are in the majority. Now, that is an estimate, no one really knows for sure. The Cuban government has yet to release the statistics for the 2002 census. Even the statistics you cite are only estimates.
On the other hand, even many Puerto Ricans do not attach much credibility to that 80% "white" figure for the island. It all depends on their own definitions. For example, a person whom Puerto Ricans may call "white", Cubans may call mulato or "jabao".

Back in 1953 the combined afro descent population in Cuba was 27%, according to the Cuban census of that year. Since that time, that population has dramatically increased. So Cuba was not Jamaica, or Haiti or Martinique, true plantation societies with few white settlers. Cuba had a large white peasant population and a lot of European inmigrants during the first decades of the xix century. So much so that it was necessary for the Cuban govt. to enact a law mandating that 50% of all employees should be Cuban born. It was popularly known as "the 50% law".

My advice to you is to stick to what you really know. You are no expert on Cuba, its history or its people.

[Lycansupreme]

k5125 said:

lurker4now said:

Mike Imperioli looks what he is mediterranean.if people say he looks peurto rican its because some peurto ricans do have light skin and look more caucasian.which makes sense since peurto rico was once a european colony.

revealing maternal ancestries in this highly mixed population of 61.3% Amerindian, 27.2% sub-Saharan African, and 11.5% West Eurasian.
dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/02/mtdna-of-puerto-rico.html

view some anceint greeks
dienekes.angeltowns.net/


anyway many Puerto Ricans can pass for Mexican,why,because its the Amerindian ancestry.Now do you think Mike can pass for Mexican?

No, mexican's look more mongoloid in my opinion. At least the ones where I live do. They also have much darker skin.

Some Mexicans do look Southeast Asian like Filipino, although some others do look lighter and more Caucasoid and could pass for an Italian or even a plain-old white person as I've seen some myself.

[josex]

why was my post deleted?