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Post by k5125 on Jun 3, 2005 11:56:39 GMT -5
I thought Sicilian was Italian?
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 3, 2005 12:10:41 GMT -5
K5125,
Politically, Sicily has been linked with Italy since Rome took it over. Before then it was Greek. Remember the great inventor Archimides? --He was from Sicily.
Genetically, Sicily is far "older" than Italy. Sicilians started out as basically paleolithic Mediterraneans that inhabited the island since before the Indo-European invasions. They're just about as ancient as Minoans, Etruscans, etc.
So they started out as a different "ethnic," linguistic and cultural group from the Italians. (They were what we would today call "Greeks"--as the reference to Archimedes might have hinted to you.) In fact, in Italy itself--to this day--people go out of their way to remind one of the difference between Sicilians and Italians. And it's not just rhetorical, either. There's actually a genetic and historical basis--even though it's easier to just lump them in together.
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Post by wade on Jun 3, 2005 12:11:53 GMT -5
sicily is an island, just like puerto rican isnt america, iceland isnt europe, sicily isnt italy
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Post by k5125 on Jun 3, 2005 12:21:41 GMT -5
What about "calabrese" (spelling?)?
Where are they from? Does anybody have any pictures of calabrese? Its a term I have heard, but don't know what it is.
In the godfather, De Niro said to this other Italian guy, "are you sicilian?" And he said "No, Calabrese."
Then De Niro responed "Calabrese?! We are practically cousins!"
So, do these groups have a special kinship or something?
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Post by wk2001 on Jun 3, 2005 12:37:59 GMT -5
Not saying that Nick Turturro has any Roma ancestry, but there are Roma in Sicily tho, so it wouldnt be impossible, especialy since there was a Sicilian-american poster on this forum , and she claimed that her Sicilian family that imigrated to America had knowledge of them having some Roma ancestry among other things. Btw, doesn't he have quite an alpinid head shape:   |
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Post by Yankel on Jun 3, 2005 12:43:11 GMT -5
Geraldo Rivera doesn't look part-black either.
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 3, 2005 13:09:33 GMT -5
Flowin Prose,
Geraldo Rivera's dad was (one can only assume) a white Puerto Rican--yes--but his mom was a Hungarian-Jew. [Just like Mexican artist Frieda Kahlo--who's a Mexican-Hungarian-Jewish mix.]
Remember "Welcome Back, Kotter?" --The man who played Puerto Rican-Jew Juan Epstein was actually a Hungarian-Jewish actor named Bobby Hedjes. Remember his afro?
Hungarian-Jews seem to be all over the map genetically--from Bobby Hedjes with his giant nerf afro to blond Art Garfunkel [though Garfunkel still has the afro gene!]
Quite a diverse population.
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Post by Yankel on Jun 3, 2005 13:20:29 GMT -5
Geraldo Rivera's dad was a mulatto. Rivera's grandfather was a black man.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 3, 2005 13:21:12 GMT -5
So this guy "juan epstein" is half puerto rican and half hungarian jew?  |
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 3, 2005 13:27:06 GMT -5
No, Bobby Hedjes PORTRAYED a Puerto Rican, but he's actually Hungarian-Jewish. [His character Juan Epstein--to be precise--was a Puerto-Rican/Jewish mix.]
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Post by Drooperdoo on Jun 3, 2005 13:29:19 GMT -5
Flowin Prose,
Geraldo Rivera's a "quadroon"? --I'm shocked by that! Wow! So if it was his grandfather who was black that means his very Y-chromosome would be sub-Saharan. Weird!
Go figure!
Just goes to show: You never know.
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Post by k5125 on Jun 3, 2005 13:39:31 GMT -5
No, Bobby Hedjes PORTRAYED a Puerto Rican, but he's actually Hungarian-Jewish. [His character Juan Epstein--to be precise--was a Puerto-Rican/Jewish mix.] Wow...I guess this really puts the european jew always=blond hair blue eyes nonsense to rest.  |
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Post by wade on Jun 3, 2005 13:42:15 GMT -5
No, Bobby Hedjes PORTRAYED a Puerto Rican, but he's actually Hungarian-Jewish. [His character Juan Epstein--to be precise--was a Puerto-Rican/Jewish mix.] Wow...I guess this really puts the european jew always=blond hair blue eyes nonsense to rest. he can pass as mulatto or something or a pretty light and not much negro AA |
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Post by k5125 on Jun 3, 2005 13:43:21 GMT -5
Wow...I guess this really puts the european jew always=blond hair blue eyes nonsense to rest. he can pass as mulatto or something or a pretty light and not much negro AA He kind of reminds me of sandra's husband in the cosby show. |
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Post by lurker4now on Jun 3, 2005 13:44:46 GMT -5
Mike Imperioli looks what he is mediterranean.if people say he looks peurto rican its because some peurto ricans do have light skin and look more caucasian.which makes sense since peurto rico was once a european colony. revealing maternal ancestries in this highly mixed population of 61.3% Amerindian, 27.2% sub-Saharan African, and 11.5% West Eurasian. dienekes.blogspot.com/2005/02/mtdna-of-puerto-rico.htmlview some anceint greeks dienekes.angeltowns.net/anyway many Puerto Ricans can pass for Mexican,why,because its the Amerindian ancestry.Now do you think Mike can pass for Mexican? |
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