Large Sample of Russian Parliamentarians

[Dienekes]

Certainly some of them are only of Russian nationality and not Russian ethnicity, but it is clear that Baltics and Baltics with Ural traits are the main element.

www.duma.gov.ru/index.jsp?t=fraction/index.html

[ProdigalSon]

"Some" is an understatement. Over 40% are of non-Russian ethnicity. They are not a very representative sample. The Duma is divided along party lines: the different links on the homepage are all links to the candidates of various parties. One reason that non-Russians are highly overepresented is because during the last election, many "Eurasianst" parties managed to place their candidates into office. Most of these parties are sttaffed by Muslims of Turkic ethnicities (Tatars, Yakuts, etc...)

[ProdigalSon]

Here is a small sample of unselected Russian politicans.

Deputies of Prime Mininster:

www.government.gov.ru/government/ministers/index.html?he_id=3

1. Boris Aleshin, ethnic Russian, born in Moscow
2. Alexei Gordeev, ethnic Russian, born... Frankfurt-am-Oder, Germany :-)
3. Galina Karelova, ethnic Russian, born in Sverdlovsk
4. Alexei Kudrin, ethnic Russian, born in Dobele, Latvia
5. Victor Khristenko, born in Chelyabinsk (Ukranian)
6. Vladimir Yakovlev, ethnic Russian, born in Olekminsk, Yakutija

[ProdigalSon]

For some reason or the other (actually, I can think of quite a few reasons), non-Russians are very disproportionately overrepresented in Russian politics. This unselected sample of government ministers is a good illustration of this fact.

Ministers:

www.government.gov.ru/government/officials/index.html?he_id=4

1. Vitalii Artukhov. Born in Krasnodar Krai. His last name was Russianized by adding 'ov to Ukranian "Artukh".
2. Gennadii Bukaev. Moksha Mordvin.
3. Farit Gazizullin. Tatar.
4. Herman Gref. German.
5. Boris Gryzlov. Russian (hair used to be light golden blond).
6. Vladimir Zorin. Russian.
7. Igor Ivanov. Jewish.
8. Sergei Ivanov. Russian.
9. Stanislav Ilyasov. Must be of Northern Caucasian (Muslim) origin, going by the surname.
10. Ilia Klebanov. Jewish.
11. Mikhail Lesin. Jewish.
12. Konstantin Merzlikin. Russian.
13. Alexandr Pochinok. Russian (can be of Ukrainian origin).
14. Leonid Reiman. Jewish.
15. Alexandr Rumyantzev. Russian.
16. Vladimir Flippov. Russian.
17. Sergei Frank. Jewish.
18. Jurii Chaika. Ukrainian.
19. Mikhail Shvydkoi. Jewish (Ukrainian).
20. Jurii Shevchenko. Ukrainian.
21. Sergei Shoigu. Tuvinian.
22. Ilia Uzhanov. Russian.
23. Igor Usufov. Jewish (Uzbek).

Only 8/23 are Russian. The disproportionate overrepresentation of non-Russians is usually not that extreme, but at least 40% of the MPs in the Duma are definitely of non-Russian ethnicity.

[Dienekes]

ProdigalSon said:

Here is a small sample of unselected Russian politicans.

The Baltic element seems to be the main one in this sample as well; this appears to be the binding thread of the Balto-Slavic peoples modified to various degrees by other agents.

[AdolphKevorkian]

How many Russians are in Russia anyway?
I'd say less than 20% look like Alexander Godunov and most have Mongoloid & Altaic features...

[ProdigalSon]

AdolphKevorkian said:

How many Russians are in Russia anyway?

I would say that about 60% of the population of Russia is composed of ethnic Russians. The census claims a proportion of 81% ethic Russians but this figure, which has been used ever 1990 is most definitely wrong. Russian birthrates have been dropping for two decades, whereas the birthrates of Turkic and Caucasus ethnics have been increasing.

I'd say less than 20% look like Alexander Godunov

Of course true, but few people of most White ethnicities look like Alexander Godunov. I've lived in America for 7 years, and from what I have seen, I can definitely say that pure Nordic types are rare. Simmilarly, only a minority of Germans are of pure Nordic type.

and most have Mongoloid & Altaic features...

That's certianly the impression one gets from looking at members of the Duma, but since it is composed of over 40% non-Russians, it is hardly a representative sample. While a large minority of Russians display Uralic-influence features, these are slight, and most people with no knowledge of anthropology would probably not be able to detect them. For example, ~0.14% (12 out of a sample of more than 8500)of Russian males have the epicanthic eyefold (9 out of these 12 were found in the extreme Northeast of Russia), and 1% have a flattened facial profile. This thread contains dozens of pictures of ethnic Russian crowds from the Northeast area of Russia. Tell me what kind of impression you get from them.

[ProdigalSon]

Dienekes said:

The Baltic element seems to be the main one in this sample as well; this appears to be the binding thread of the Balto-Slavic peoples modified to various degrees by other agents.

Actually, I agree with you. The Russian Anthropological Expedition of 1950-1959 found that the Baltic type, modified by various agents, was the most important element in the ethnic Russian population. Uralics are found only in strong solution with other stocks, and as individuals. However, there is a very large proportion of non-Russians in the Russian Duma, so Turkic (Mediterranid+Mongoloid) and Uralic types are overrepresented. As I mentioned above, Uralic types are found in strong solution and as individual cases of genetic recombination among ethnic Russians. Turkic types are not found among ethnic Russians. Sergey Shoigu, the Tuvinian MP is a good example of what ethnic Russians do not look like:
news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/570000/images/_571245_shoigu150.jpg[/img]

According to Bunak, the “Russian type” is characterize by light skin, gray or gray-mixed eyes, medium-brown hair (1/3 of Russians are blond and 14% have dark brown and black hair) medium-broad face, a straight nose with a bridge of moderate height, weak brow ridges, a smooth upper eyelid, relatively weak facial-hair growth, and a straight or slightly sloped forehead.

[ilsaraceno]

prodigal where are the darkest ethnic russians from? from south russia? near iran correct?

[AWAR]

I think that the 'slavic look' has a lot to do with the Hollywood representation of Slavs and Russians in films.

Also, there is a US cop-show on TV called 'Sirens' about the pittsburgh police. There are a lot of Polish characters in the show, and most of them are played by lame looking individuals of both Slavic and non-Slavic stock, while the All-American surname cahracters all look beautiful, and incidentally, most of these are played by Slavic-stock actors.

This is just to show how much the Media want to depict Slavs as lame and weird, but at the same time, they use slavic origin actors to play all-american babes and hunks.

You've probably noticed this with Italians. I've never in my life met a very dark/swarthy Italian, yet somehow, all the Italians on US TV are swarthy types.

Now, I'm not saying that there are no Swarthy Italians, or Lame Slavs, but this is an injust stereotype.

[ProdigalSon]

Ilsaraceno said:

prodigal where are the darkest ethnic russians from? from south russia? near iran correct?

Even the darkest Russians are somewhat lighter than the European average. The darkest Russians come from the Tambov-Khoper area. They have 37.5% pure light eyes, ~10 dark eyes (light brown and yellow), and 20% blond hair (Fischer #9-26).