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Post by Artemidoros on Jan 22, 2004 19:08:31 GMT -5
 Bear in mind these are not exactly the mans features. It is a scientific reconstruction from his skeletal remains. Many things, such as pigmentation or hair might have been very different. Other features are educated guesses. |
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Post by Agrippa on Jan 22, 2004 20:11:42 GMT -5
Alpinoid in a Borreby direction.
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Post by AWAR on Jan 22, 2004 20:21:08 GMT -5
Alpinoid in a Borreby direction. I'd have said just Borreby. Fascinating! Where did they dig up the skull? |
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Post by Artemidoros on Jan 24, 2004 17:46:28 GMT -5
I'd have said just Borreby. Fascinating! Where did they dig up the skull? He is definitely alpine. It is Philip of Macedon, Alexander the Greats father. His tomb was discovered in Vergina, not far from Thessaloniki. An ivory head found in the tomb which is believed to depict him looks like this:  The reconstruction of his features reminds me of this French alpine.  |
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Post by AWAR on Jan 24, 2004 21:13:16 GMT -5
Perhaps Coon was right when he spoke about UP types in the Balkans. There seems to be a Borreby-like type present ( today mostly in Montenegro ). Phillip looks like Montenegrin, I wonder what his stature was?  |
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Post by Artemisia on Jan 25, 2004 19:34:22 GMT -5
He was 5'8". However, according to Eugene Borza, the Vergina grave does not contain Phillip II but rather his son Phillip Arrhideos. I do not believe Borza because I've read his work and found many faults, both in his reasoning and in his interpretation of historical sources.
There was another ivory head found in the tomb. It probably represents Alexander III. I wonder why they didn't reconstruct Alexander's face as well.
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Post by AWAR on Jan 25, 2004 20:28:03 GMT -5
Can you see the picture that I posted beside Philippos?
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Post by AWAR on Jan 25, 2004 20:30:05 GMT -5
5'8" was a very tall stature at that time.  ( I'm having some problems with posting pictures. I have a tabelle that show the heights of peoples since 30.000 years ago ). |
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Post by Gus Morea on Jan 25, 2004 22:47:27 GMT -5
For whatever reason(s), he looks like many Irish and Welsh people I've met.
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Post by Artemidoros on Jan 26, 2004 19:03:23 GMT -5
There was another ivory head found in the tomb. It probably represents Alexander III. I wonder why they didn't reconstruct Alexander's face as well. The reconstruction was based on his actual skull, not the ivory head. The problem is he had been cremated and the skull was badly fragmented. Some scientists believe there were errors made in putting the skull together. |
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Post by Artemidoros on Jan 26, 2004 19:09:50 GMT -5
For whatever reason(s), he looks like many Irish and Welsh people I've met. Maybe because the scientists who reconstructed his face are British. It is possible they were influenced by the types of faces they were used to when deciding the features they were going to give him. They use not only the skeletal material but also known descriptions or likenesses and their imagination. He still looks Balkanian to me though. |
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Post by Artemisia on Jan 26, 2004 19:30:25 GMT -5
The reconstruction was based on his actual skull, not the ivory head. The problem is he had been cremated and the skull was badly fragmented. Some scientists believe there were errors made in putting the skull together. Yeah, I know. There was also a female found with him (Adea Eurydike probably.) It does look like they based most of their reconstruction on the ivory head, though. |
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Post by AWAR on Jan 27, 2004 2:59:45 GMT -5
He's definitely a high-skulled man, which is common in eastern ( including Balkans ) europeans.
Brits are much more low-vaulted.
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