Tool Find Puts Man in Northern Europe Earlier

[galton]

bertrand said:

The oldest modern human, dated back to 200,000 years ago, was found in Africa, not in the Ice Age caves of Europe as wild cavemen.

Are you referring to your earlier comments on "DNA" evidence? If so, can you post links to the studies? It sounds like you are referring to fossil evidence. Are you? If so, could you give details or links to articles?

[Planet Asia]

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2909803.stm

[galton]

bertrand said:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2909803.stm

This is an article from BBC News. I'll look it over, but that's not a comprehensive synthesis or study of the "African Eve" hypothesis.

Just read the article. There's nothing definitive. The mtDNA analysis conflicts with fossil evidence and much of the needed analysis done on the region hasn't been done.

But Professor Ulf Gyllensten, a molecular biologist at the University of Uppsala, Sweden, was cautious about claims that the oldest DNA lineages were confined to East Africa.

"I wouldn't be surprised if Dr Tishkoff has found old lineages there, but I think we're just skimming the surface," he said.

Meaning the work is long from finished.

A genetic study has shown that the oldest known human DNA lineages are those of East Africans.

The entire article makes no mention of the non-African DNA lineages. It talks about the comparison of different African DNA lineages.


www.rafonda.com/origin_of_humans.html

Evidence for radiation into Africa was found by Hammer et al. (1998) and Tischkoff et al. (1998) noted such evidence, but the latter went on to suggest that no attention should be paid to it.

It's all about what an expert wants the public to see.

[jam]

galton said:

jam said:

If you can't See that you contradict yourself, then I've got nothing else to add.

You didn't add anything in the first place and there's no contradiction on my part.

Statement one: "Humans didn't originate from Africa. They originated from Eurasia."

Contradicting statement: "Nothing has been proven regarding the origins of man."

First you make an absolute claim that humans originated in Asia, then you say that nothing have been proven, contradicting the validity of your first statement.

[galton]

jam said:

galton said:

You didn't add anything in the first place and there's no contradiction on my part.

Statement one: "Humans didn't originate from Africa. They originated from Eurasia."

Contradicting statement: "Nothing has been proven regarding the origins of man."

First you make an absolute claim that humans originated in Asia, then you say that nothing have been proven, contradicting the validity of your first statement.

It's Eurasia, not Asia.

Secondly, there's still no contradiction. I prefer the multiregional hypothesis over the "African Eve" hypothesis. I haven't changed my mind, so there's no contradiction. Never was.



con·tra·dic·tion n.
1. a. The act of contradicting.
b. The state of being contradicted.
2. A denial.
3. Inconsistency; discrepancy.
4. Something that contains contradictory elements.

[jam]

Sorry about the Asia instead of Eurasia, but it really doesn't make any difference to what I wrote.

Your second statement invalidates the first statement.
(And that fits well with part 3 of your definition)
Unless you have changed your mind between writing the two - that is, of course, possible

[galton]

jam said:

Sorry about the Asia instead of Eurasia, but it really doesn't make any difference to what I wrote.

Your second statement invalidates the first statement.
(And that fits well with part 3 of your definition)
Unless you have changed your mind between writing the two - that is, of course, possible

Your remarks are childish and pointless. I've already made clear my preference for a multiregional hypothesis long before you commented on any of my posts. There was never a contradiction to begin with.

[jam]

I don't really disagree, there's a couple of "theories", and theres some circumstantial evidence that could be interpreted in favor of both, but there's no real proof one way or the other (yet- that I know about.)

But (not that it really matters, of course) you didn't write anything about your preference for the multi regional hypothesis in this thread, when I commented on your inconsistency in what you wrote above.

Never mind

[wadad]

JaM can I take over?
Galton, to put an end to this just admit that your statement:

[glow=red,0,500]"Humans didn't originate from Africa. They originated from Eurasia."[/glow]


isnt a fact (nor is it multiregionalist), its your opinion. Your other statement, however is a fact:

[glow=red,0,500]"Nothing has been proven regarding the origins of man. There are different hypothesis of the evolution of man and the origins of man"[/glow]


How did you not contradict yourself???

[galton]

wadad said:

How did you not contradict yourself???

I didn't say it was fact. You said it, not me. And JaM inferred it. I don't control other people's inferences.