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Post by xxx on Jun 27, 2004 14:22:27 GMT -5
Melnorme, I wasn't refer to the author of the original quote, but to how anon, through just bolding the parts he finds convenient, creates a visual effect by which that quote appears as a strong statement and evidence that confirms what is only a speculation.
It's coarse, but the kind of public who believes in his claims or support them are not very bright by most standards.
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Post by One Humanity on Jun 28, 2004 1:40:11 GMT -5
Well, he hasn't claimed it to be anything but a theory. You have to admit it's weird that J mtDNA is more common in Northern Europe than in Southern Europe. On the other hand, it's also weird that a haplogroup supposedly associated with cold climate is 1) Less common in NE Europe than in NW Europe 2) Originated in the Middle East ( 20.8% in Arabia! ) That's interesting.... How are (J) mtDNA and (J) Y-chromosomes connected? I would just suggest they are more loosely than thought but of course I can't to prove that / lack have the time to learn as much about genetics as you.
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Post by gbloco on Sept 4, 2004 9:34:14 GMT -5
And why are English girls more often than not some of the least attractive of all Euro ethnic groups? Archetypal thin lips, among other features, give many of them a masculine appearance. I've seen some lovely Limey girls, but they are the exception, not the rule. The may not be be the prettiest, but they do have the biggest tits -- 40% are D cup or larger
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Post by Faelcind on Sept 16, 2004 22:49:16 GMT -5
Melnorme what Anon proposes is far short of theory the vast majority of what is proposed in anthropology and especially race sceince is nowhere near worthy of the term theory. If it was experimentally verifiable you might be able to call it hypothesis but at this point its no more then speculation.
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Post by Sandwich on Oct 5, 2004 6:11:53 GMT -5
Sorry to detract from the scientific tone, but this is an old thread, and some of you might find it amusing,
The nicely turned poem below, by Daniel Defoe, the author of Robinson Crusoe, was enormously popular in England when it was published back in 1701. Perhaps that shows what a self-confident nation the English were, at the beginning of their ascendancy.
The True Born Englishman
Thus from a mixture of all kinds began, that het'rogeneous thing, an Englishman: In eager rapes, and furious lust begot, Betwixt a painted Britain and a Scot. Whose gend'ring off-spring quickly learn'd to bow, And yoke their heifers to the Roman plough: From whence a mongrel half-bred race there came, With neither name, nor nation, speech nor fame. In whose hot veins new mixtures quickly ran, Infus'd betwixt a Saxon and a Dane. While their rank daughters, to their parents just, Receiv'd all nations with promiscuous lust. This nauseous brood directly did contain The well-extracted blood of Englishmen.
Which medly canton'd in a heptarchy, A rhapsody of nations to supply, Among themselves maintain'd eternal wars, And still the ladies lov'd the conquerors.
The western Angles all the rest subdu'd; A bloody nation, barbarous and rude: Who by the tenure of the sword possest One part of Britain, and subdu'd the rest And as great things denominate the small, The conqu'ring part gave title to the whole. The Scot, Pict, Britain, Roman, Dane, submit, And with the English-Saxon all unite: And these the mixture have so close pursu'd, The very name and memory's subdu'd: No Roman now, no Britain does remain; Wales strove to separate, but strove in vain: The silent nations undistinguish'd fall, And Englishman's the common name for all. Fate jumbled them together, God knows how; What e'er they were they're true-born English now.
The wonder which remains is at our pride, To value that which all wise men deride. For Englishmen to boast of generation, Cancels their knowledge, and lampoons the nation. A true-born Englishman's a contradiction, In speech an irony, in fact a fiction. A banter made to be a test of fools, Which those that use it justly ridicules. A metaphor invented to express A man a-kin to all the universe.
For as the Scots, as learned men ha' said, Throughout the world their wand'ring seed ha' spread; So open-handed England, 'tis believ'd, Has all the gleanings of the world receiv'd.
Some think of England 'twas our Saviour meant, The Gospel should to all the world be sent: Since, when the blessed sound did hither reach, They to all nations might be said to preach.
'Tis well that virtue gives nobility, How shall we else the want of birth and blood supply? Since scarce one family is left alive, Which does not from some foreigner derive.
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Post by eufrenio on Oct 5, 2004 8:34:39 GMT -5
Nice poem! Well, Defoe´s family was in fact of foreign origin... From Flanders, it is believed.
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Post by Odin of Ossetia on Oct 8, 2004 18:45:19 GMT -5
The English are very much mixed. 1. Ancient Med Iberian. 2. Celtic (didn't all just pack up and leave. Sorry). 3. Small element of Roman veterans. 4. Somewhat smaller contingent of Sarmatian in Lancashire. 5. Anglo-Saxon-Jutish. 6. Danish & Norwegian Scandinavian Viking. 7. Francophone Norman Scandinavian. 8. Mucketymucks. Someone please tell me if I missed something. And why are English girls more often than not some of the least attractive of all Euro ethnic groups? Archetypal thin lips, among other features, give many of them a masculine appearance. I've seen some lovely Limey girls, but they are the exception, not the rule. Yes, you missed the Polabian-Pomeranian Slavs: michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.htmlAnd also the pseudo-German(ic) Indo-Aryan Friesians.
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Post by One Humanity on Oct 17, 2004 16:17:46 GMT -5
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Post by eufrenio on Oct 17, 2004 16:27:36 GMT -5
Frisian is considered to form its own Western Germanic language group, along with the English dialects.
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Post by MRuffalo715 on Mar 1, 2005 9:57:11 GMT -5
I know many English people that have dark eyes and dark hair. My mother is English and her entire family has dark features. Where do you think they got these features? Not from the Germanic Anglo-Saxons! It is very possible that the Roman influence in Britain is much greater than previously thought. Britain is indeed a Roman word! Britannia. It is absurd that so many people, including even some of British descent, think that their nation was completely washed of Romans after the Germanic invasions. Today's British are comprised of many different "subraces."
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Post by mike2 on Mar 1, 2005 16:45:44 GMT -5
I know many English people that have dark eyes and dark hair. My mother is English and her entire family has dark features. Where do you think they got these features? Not from the Germanic Anglo-Saxons! It is very possible that the Roman influence in Britain is much greater than previously thought. Britain is indeed a Roman word! Britannia. It is absurd that so many people, including even some of British descent, think that their nation was completely washed of Romans after the Germanic invasions. Today's British are comprised of many different "subraces." There were dark peoples living in Britain way before the Romans ever got there. These people were for the most part good ol' UP Atlanto-Mediterraneans, though as Melnorme said there was likely some kind of Neolithic brunet influence as well. This dark type can be seen in many celebrities. Sean Connery Jennifer Connelly Yvonne Craig Sherilyn Fenn Shannen Doherty Pierce Brosnan Robbie Williams Tyrone Power Catherine Zeta Jones John Lennon George Harrison Paul McCartney Bono Tom Jones Gabriel Byrne Mary Black Lara Flynn Boyle Teri Hatcher Terry Farrell Colin Farrell Alan Rickman Ioan Gruffudd Liv Tyler All of these people are British or descendants of British. There is no conspicuous Italian/Spanish/Greek admixture here or anything. The dark British type is most commonly seen in Wales today, though it was equally prominent in Ireland, Scotland, and England before the Celts and Germanics arrived. There aren't any clear dividing lines, though, because both the dark types and the fair types have merged with each other. Some people just have more prevalence in the dark type than the light, especially in Wales.
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Post by pavel2 on Mar 1, 2005 23:48:50 GMT -5
some of the people you posted are mixed. Liv Tyler is part amerindian, shannon doherty is part asian. Terri Hatcher might be part asian as well, Zeta Jones has to be mixed with something...
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Post by mike2 on Mar 2, 2005 15:05:22 GMT -5
some of the people you posted are mixed. Liv Tyler is part amerindian, shannon doherty is part asian. Terri Hatcher might be part asian as well, Zeta Jones has to be mixed with something... You might be right about Liv and Terri but I don't if their possible Mongoloid ancestry is responsible for their dark features. I thought Shannen Doherty was British, but you're right she does look East Asian now that I think about it. As for Catherine Zeta-Jones, though, she's pure British. Her mother is Irish and her father Welsh. She is the best example of the black-haired, "Bronze Race of England" I know of.
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Post by Crimson Guard on Mar 9, 2005 12:58:50 GMT -5
Liv Tyler is Italian,Russian and Indian(india).
Tyrone Power has Amerindian Admixture
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Jennifer Connelly has some Jewish blood
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Post by mike2 on Mar 9, 2005 15:11:05 GMT -5
Bah! Go ahead and disprove my entire post why don't cha? Whatever some of them are, they're still good examples of the Atlanto-Med type. Especially Zeta-Jones. And Connelly. Jewish blood or not.
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