Samhain
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Post by Samhain on Mar 29, 2005 16:08:03 GMT -5
Actually, Dienekes was the first person I witnessed in any of these forums to ever point this MtDNA J = cold climate theory - and he backed it up accordingly with a source. Well, he hasn't claimed it to be anything but a theory. You have to admit it's weird that J mtDNA is more common in Northern Europe than in Southern Europe. On the other hand, it's also weird that a haplogroup supposedly associated with cold climate is 1) Less common in NE Europe than in NW Europe 2) Originated in the Middle East ( 20.8% in Arabia! )
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Post by gelaye on Dec 8, 2005 7:20:03 GMT -5
i would say english people are the jakunin type of the european race in europe
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Post by wendland on Dec 13, 2005 13:39:43 GMT -5
Earlier on someone said that Silesia had been inhabited by Celts. There is no proof for that. All that is known is that there was cultural influence. Also, research by a German linguist "Udolph" who is Germany's premier expert on toponymy and the history of names, puts the original homeland of Germanic speakers in Northern Hesse, Southern Lower Saxony... Not exactly close to Scandinavia, and closer to "Celtic Areas"-- quotes because what is known is that there was cultural influence, but settlement is unknown. As a further aside, linguistic evidence would show that the Goths also spoke a language most similar to South German dialects (such as Bavarian), and are farthest from Scandinavia, also an argument for an origin outside of Scandinavia for them. Sorry, I don't want to get to far off the thread: the English are a mix of all those previous settlers /invaders, though genetically they seem to be a continuation of the old paleolithic population.
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Oldbrit
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Post by Oldbrit on Dec 14, 2005 10:46:18 GMT -5
Not exactly close to Scandinavia, and closer to "Celtic Areas"-- quotes because what is known is that there was cultural influence, but settlement is unknown. As a further aside, linguistic evidence would show that the Goths also spoke a language most similar to South German dialects (such as Bavarian), and are farthest from Scandinavia,. Gothic also lost some initial IE Ps, its word for father/pater is something like Attir similar to Gaelic Athair.
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Post by wendland on Dec 14, 2005 18:30:47 GMT -5
There was an extensive study done by a Polish linguist, Manczak, a few years ago on relatedness among IE languages, their distance, and "original ancient homelands" of such historical and prehistorical peoples such as Goths, Slavs, and original "Indo Europeans". I can't go into the whole thing, but he examined long lists of words taken from the Book of Genesis, and he began to correlate numbers of words shared between languages originating from IE roots. Through this method he came to the conclusion that Gothic was linguistically closest to High German (South German origin) and Swedish the farthest (Sweden is the location of Gotland). Another interesting fact was that Polish had the greatest number of IE roots still in use in a language (more than Lithuanian), and it was also the language which was on average most related to any and all other IE languages, i.e it had the highest number of correlations. As for the IE roots in languages, there was a kind of cline: Poland at the center, and languages geographically near Poland with a high number of preserved IE roots (we're only talking about vocabulary!), while languages such as Greek, Albanian, Armenian (also Swedish) containing fewer IE vocabulary elements. Manczak completely discounts grammatical typology/elements. A lot of phonetic development is also considered irrelevant. For example, the fact that Gothic and Gaelic both lost initial Ps is a shared curiosity, the P happened to go that way, it could have gone to F, H, B, V, then to W... who knows, as such things happened. He also discounts the whole "centum/satem" thing on those grounds. Latin was "centum" today's Romance languages are "satem"...
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