Race doesn't exist, yo.

[annienormanna]

murphee said:

Yep.

Civilization is not a matter to be taken lightly, then, because this too is our biological destiny. The destinies of motherhood, even, and hopefully. Six billion children and more on the way.

[Ras-Xafun]

I know Forrester was cracking a joke when he had Yul Brynner as an Egyptian [by dint of the fact that he played an Egyptian in "The Ten Commandments"], and then he threw in a West African negro for good measure as an equally laughable example of an "Egyptian".
Then he jokingly lumped in some black kids and claimed they were "typical Mediterraneans"

You know these kids are upper(southern) Egyptian, right?

[Drooperdoo]

Ras-Xafun,
The kids looked to me like blacks from the border of Ethiopia or the Sudan. You say they're from Southern Egypt, so that is just about the same thing.
Being a black (with moderate amounts of Semitic admixture) in no way makes you a "Mediterranean" let alone a "typical Mediterranean".
Hell, North Africa has blacks now, too, since the Arabs breached the Sahara in the Middle Ages. Those negroes are not exemplars of the region since they aren't native to it.
Like a black in Italy, whose dad was a Nigerian engineering student and whose mother was an Italian. To hold such a kid out as the "typical Italian" would be a joke, and you know it.

P.S.--Being in Southern Egypt geographically places you hundreds of miles away from the Mediterranean. The closest body of water would be the Red Sea. So if you called them typical of the Red Sea-area between the Arabian peninsula and the Sudan I wouldn't have balked.

[asdf]

I meant Mediterranid anyway. Not geography.

[Ras-Xafun]

drooperdoo said:

Ras-Xafun,
The kids looked to me like blacks from the border of Ethiopia or the Sudan. You say they're from Southern Egypt, so that is just about the same thing.
Being a black (with moderate amounts of Semitic admixture) in no way makes you a "Mediterranean" let alone a "typical Mediterranean".
Hell, North Africa has blacks now, too, since the Arabs breached the Sahara in the Middle Ages. Those negroes are not exemplars of the region since they aren't native to it.
Like a black in Italy, whose dad was a Nigerian engineering student and whose mother was an Italian. To hold such a kid out as the "typical Italian" would be a joke, and you know it.

P.S.--Being in Southern Egypt geographically places you hundreds of miles away from the Mediterranean. The closest body of water would be the Red Sea. So if you called them typical of the Red Sea-area between the Arabian peninsula and the Sudan I wouldn't have balked.

The kids looked to me like blacks from the border of Ethiopia or the Sudan. You say they're from Southern Egypt, so that is just about the same thing.

Nice, I hoped you were not serious about them being Mediterranean ;D

Being a black (with moderate amounts of Semitic admixture) in no way makes you a "Mediterranean" let alone a "typical Mediterranean".

100% agree, bytheway there is no scientific proof of a mediteranian race, and Egyptians non-delta( in particular ancients are not Mediterranean (if such even exist)).

Those negroes are not exemplars of the region since they aren't native to it

Really, any scientific proof? And I may assume that since you are caucasoid you are more than entiteled to this region than these upper Egyptians, right?

P.S.--Being in Southern Egypt geographically places you hundreds of miles away from the Mediterranean.

Lol, look at this "pride" acting as if the Mediteranean sea is some kind of holy source of water ;D

[walker]

Nomad Gipsies, here in portugal, came mainly from Andaluzia, an thus bear similar genes to those of the southern portuguese population. However, they refer to themselves as being from the Gipsy Race ( and are also refered to as so ), provided that they live in shags, listen and sing to Flamenco (andalucian music) in spanish, etc.
When taken from their cultural ways, way of dressing, etc. it becomes impossible to distinguish them from the average southern portuguese.

I believe this is clearly a case of cultural conception of race, since everyone here really considers the gipsies to be from a different race. Southern portuguese don't consider themselves to be from a different race than northern portuguese even though the difference between their physical traits is way larger than their (impossible to see) differences to the gipsies.

Btw, the gipsies I am talking about do not look romanian at all ( at least not more than the average portuguese or andalucian )

Also, whereas in Porto a 1/4 negroid 3/4 caucasoid would be considered black, in southern portugal it would largely depend on his/her accent.

[Crimson Guard]

puntlander said:

drooperdoo said:

Ras-Xafun,
The kids looked to me like blacks from the border of Ethiopia or the Sudan. You say they're from Southern Egypt, so that is just about the same thing.
Being a black (with moderate amounts of Semitic admixture) in no way makes you a "Mediterranean" let alone a "typical Mediterranean".
Hell, North Africa has blacks now, too, since the Arabs breached the Sahara in the Middle Ages. Those negroes are not exemplars of the region since they aren't native to it.
Like a black in Italy, whose dad was a Nigerian engineering student and whose mother was an Italian. To hold such a kid out as the "typical Italian" would be a joke, and you know it.

P.S.--Being in Southern Egypt geographically places you hundreds of miles away from the Mediterranean. The closest body of water would be the Red Sea. So if you called them typical of the Red Sea-area between the Arabian peninsula and the Sudan I wouldn't have balked.

Nice, I hoped you were not serious about them being Mediterranean ;D


100% agree, bytheway there is no scientific proof of a mediteranian race, and Egyptians non-delta( in particular ancients are not Mediterranean (if such even exist)).


Really, any scientific proof? And I may assume that since you are caucasoid you are more than entiteled to this region than these upper Egyptians, right?

P.S.--Being in Southern Egypt geographically places you hundreds of miles away from the Mediterranean.

Lol, look at this "pride" acting as if the Mediteranean sea is some kind of holy source of water ;D

I think your hat is to tight,and is compressing whatever brain you have!

[Atreyu]

walker said:

Nomad Gipsies, here in portugal, came mainly from Andaluzia, an thus bear similar genes to those of the southern portuguese population.

Provide your source

However, they refer to themselves as being from the Gipsy Race ( and are also refered to as so ), provided that they live in shags, listen and sing to Flamenco (andalucian music) in spanish, etc.
When taken from their cultural ways, way of dressing, etc. it becomes impossible to distinguish them from the average southern portuguese.

Southern Portuguese Northern Portuguese are not different in phenotype.

I believe this is clearly a case of cultural conception of race, since everyone here really considers the gipsies to be from a different race. Southern portuguese don't consider themselves to be from a different race than northern portuguese even though the difference between their physical traits is way larger than their (impossible to see) differences to the gipsies.

You got to be joking? Southern Portuguese and Northern Portuguese physical traits are way differnet?
www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/pt_deputies.html
More Pictures

www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/portuguese.html

[walker]

atreyu said:

walker said:

Nomad Gipsies, here in portugal, came mainly from Andaluzia, an thus bear similar genes to those of the southern portuguese population.

Provide your source

"please" would be a nice way of ending your sentence

I'll try to find one. But if you live in portugal, you just have to head on to the next gipsy comunity and ask them. Or listen to their andalucian songs and dances.

Quote:I believe this is clearly a case of cultural conception of race, since everyone here really considers the gipsies to be from a different race. Southern portuguese don't consider themselves to be from a different race than northern portuguese even though the difference between their physical traits is way larger than their (impossible to see) differences to the gipsies.



You got to be joking? Southern Portuguese and Northern Portuguese physical traits are way differnet?
www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/pt_deputies.html
More Pictures

www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/portuguese.html

I am not joking at all. First of all, the author of your source is clearly biased into proving that anyone in the world except maybe 0.01% is a pure mediterranean.

Second, looking at the high class, portuguese members of parlament is a very biased way of asserting ethnicity, since they are usually descendent of higher class burguesy or nobelty which has, from the north to the south, more nordic blood that the general population.

A good sample of the population would be better found on soccer players.

northern portuguese player Jorge Costa



northern portuguese player Joao Pinto




southern portuguese player simão sabrosa





ALso, it's very common to find blue eyed people in small vilages in Minho, where it is very uncommon to find blue eyed people in small villages in algarve.

Also, it is very uncommon to find people that look like Algarvian Aníbal Cavaco Silva or Jamila Madeira in the north , where it is easy to find similarly looking people in a gipsy community in algarve.

Jamila Madeira



Cavaco Silva




I don't think southern and northern portuguese are very different in physical appearance, I just think they differ more than the average Algarve villager does from the average Gipsy in portugal.

I am not joking at all.

[walker]

I see main differnces in the eyes and nose structure, but also a bit in the jaw structure and A LOT in the blush. It is very uncommon to find a blushing algarvian whereas it is uncommon to find a blushing minho-ian.

I must stress that I they are NOT AT ALL huge differences. Just greater, in my opinion, than those between the typical portuguese gipsy and the typical southern portuguese ( which considers him-self to be from different race than a gipsy )

[Atreyu]

walker said:

atreyu said:

Provide your source

"please" would be a nice way of ending your sentence

ill be more sensitive next time.

I'll try to find one.

Please do since you made the comment you must of read a study or you are talking out of your butt

But if you live in portugal, you just have to head on to the next gipsy comunity and ask them. Or listen to their andalucian songs and dances.

What does this have to do with anything?If you ask Iberian Gypsies where they come from they will say Egypt

Quote:I believe this is clearly a case of cultural conception of race, since everyone here really considers the gipsies to be from a different race. Southern portuguese don't consider themselves to be from a different race than northern portuguese even though the difference between their physical traits is way larger than their (impossible to see) differences to the gipsies.



You got to be joking? Southern Portuguese and Northern Portuguese physical traits are way differnet?
www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/pt_deputies.html
More Pictures

www.sitesled.com/members/racialreality/portuguese.html

I am not joking at all. First of all, the author of your source is clearly biased into proving that anyone in the world except maybe 0.01% is a pure mediterranean.

The author posted pictures of politicians from north to south how is that baised?He also doesn't talk about "purety".

Second, looking at the high class, portuguese members of parlament is a very biased way of asserting ethnicity, since they are usually descendent of higher class burguesy or nobelty which has, from the north to the south, more nordic blood that the general population.

Is this a joke?These politicians are not high class and are not "burguesy" or "nobelty" origin.So your logic is anyone with an education is "nobelty"?

There is no "nordic" blood ANY where in Portugal.nice try.


simão sabrosa is not Southern Portuguese he was born in Constantim.

ALso, it's very common to find blue eyed people in small vilages in Minho, where it is very uncommon to find blue eyed people in small villages in algarve.

Blue eyes are not commen ANYWHERE.I will go with REAL athropologists:

As in southern Spain, the skin color is evenly divided between a light brown, 45 per cent, and brunet-white, 45 per cent, while pinkish-white skins are found in only one-tenth of the population.122 Again as in Spain, the prevailing hair color is dark brown, which amounts to 68 per cent of the total; blond and red hair is limited to 2 per cent. Eye color, with 7 per cent of "blue," 15 per cent of "medium," 78 per cent of "dark," shows some correlation with latitude, which is not as clear in the cases of skin color and hair color. Blue eyes run to 13 per cent in the north, and as low as 1 and 2 per cent in the south. Dark eyes seem to range inversely from 71 per cent to 87 per cent. Portugal contains no more than the traditional 25 per cent of incipient blondism common to many groups of Mediterraneans.

Also, it is very uncommon to find people that look like Algarvian Aníbal Cavaco Silva or Jamila Madeira in the north , where it is easy to find similarly looking people in a gipsy community in algarve.

Very uncommon?You make it sound as if the north is ireland?

I can go and cherry pick examples if you would like

[Atreyu]

walker said:

I see main differnces in the eyes and nose structure, but also a bit in the jaw structure and A LOT in the blush. It is very uncommon to find a blushing algarvian whereas it is uncommon to find a blushing minho-ian.

I must stress that I they are NOT AT ALL huge differences. Just greater, in my opinion, than those between the typical portuguese gipsy and the typical southern portuguese ( which considers him-self to be from different race than a gipsy )

compare the girls to Jamila Madeira

[Drooperdoo]

This is a European with a Gypsy boy. Gypsies in Spain are typically far, far darker than the Spaniards. In Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls the Gypsy sings a song whose lyrics are something like: "My skin is black, my hair is coarse/but I am still a man/Thank God I am a Gypsy/And not a Catalan".

Gypsies stand out like sore thumbs in Spain and Portugal. To this day, they complain of racial discrimination because of their dark skin. Sure, people on this website can find lighter Gyspies, just like I can find photos of redheaded American blacks. But to pretend that red hair and blue eyes is typical of blacks is as dishonest as posting pictures of fair-skinned Gypsies and advancing it as if it's "the typical look". It's not.
Here are more honest examples of what's "typical":

[Atreyu]

drooperdoo said:

This is a European with a Gypsy boy. Gypsies in Spain are typically far, far darker than the Spaniards. In Hemingway's For Whom the Bell Tolls the Gypsy sings a song whose lyrics are something like: "My skin is black, my hair is coarse/but I am still a man/Thank God I am a Gypsy/And not a Catalan".

Gypsies stand out like sore thumbs in Spain and Portugal. To this day, they complain of racial discrimination because of their dark skin. Sure, people on this website can find lighter Gyspies, just like I can find photos of redheaded American blacks. But to pretend that red hair and blue eyes is typical of blacks is as dishonest as posting pictures of fair-skinned Gypsies and advancing it as if it's "the typical look". It's not.

i hope you are not directing this at me

[Planet Asia]

race as a so called "biological reality is arbitrary and subject to one's perception. All of this genetic and anthropological stuff we read into isn't the reality of race. When a black man walks into an all-white racist town like we have here is some parts of the south, thats the reality of race right there. Racial profiling, thats the reality of race. How we classify people according to all these macro and subraces is arbitrary and it makes little sense to make an argument for race existing based off of that.