Kafirs: How would you educate your children?

[Igu]

My mother's muslim (traditional one, does not wear the veil and says that quoran has been modified by men, she also belives that kaffirs go to paradise ) educated me in a very nice conception of life where God rules the world and punishes Evil people. It was not about running after God's good points (hassanat) or judging people, I had moral values simply explained and understood, I also like the idea of telling children that dead people go to Heaven in order not to traumatise them (People going to hell is more traumatising though)...etc.

Many in my family have their father Atheist and the mother traditional muslim, some of them whine if they children start going to the mosque (my cousin had his ass kicked while he was praying), but most do not bequeath their atheistic ideologies, rather their anti-islamic feelings.

So, I'm wondering, how would people with no religion educate their children, those who had atheist parents are welcome to share their experiences.

[eufrenio]

Do I qualify as a kaffir?

[Educate Me]

Jews think that non jews dont need to convert to Judaism, that all we have to do is follow the 7 noachide laws and we will go to paradise.

Do not murder.
Do not steal.
Do not worship false gods.
Do not be sexually immoral.
Do not eat the limb of an animal before it is killed.
Do not curse God.
Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.


I disagree, but I thought it was something interesting to share.


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Myself, I would baptize the babies rather soon, and they will go to catholic schools.

[mugabe]

i'd lie to my kids. i'd tell them there is a god, but i would make him more perfect than allah or jehovah. i relly wish i still believed in god because the faith made life much easier. if einstein taught us anything from his theory of relativity its that the illusion is just as good as the real thing. the idea of god is an indirect way of believing in yourself. its only when god becomes unpersonal that the idea is a door to manipulation by the interpreters of religion. so for my kids i will make sure that i alone have the keys to the door and only my child can go through. i will interpret god for him, which is my duty and right as a father.

[geo]

I'll give you just two laws.

Don't define yourself by the insults of others.
Don't define yourself by your reaction to others.

[nockwasright]

My parents are both atheistic (and so am I). When I was around 5 I asked them about death and what was to be done about it (I didn't like the idea of them or I or Heidi dying). They didn't know what to tell me, it was plain evident.
So I learned a) there's nothing to do about death b) parents do not have all answers.

As I would have understood this sooner or later, better sooner than later.

[Igu]

nockwasright said:

My parents are both atheistic (and so am I). When I was around 5 I asked them about death and what was to be done about it (I didn't like the idea of them or I or Heidi dying). They didn't know what to tell me, it was plain evident.
So I learned a) there's nothing to do about death b) parents do not have all answers.

As I would have understood this sooner or later, better sooner than later.

a psychologist said that when children know that their parents don't have all the answers it makes them insecure, that's why I posted this post.

[MC anunnaki]

My husband and I are both atheists (I'm agnostic at best ), but I still wouldn't say God didn't exist if my daughter asked me about it. I'd just say that no one really knows.

[syriano]

it really puzzels me how people can be athiests.
how can life with all it's complexity be just a little random thing?

actually I think Athiesm is made for people in order to fuel capitalism (as religion can stunt economic growth).
just work, earn money, then spend money (to live and afford to buy an M3)

[Melnorme]

syriano said:

actually I think Athiesm is made for people in order to fuel capitalism (as religion can stunt economic growth).
just work, earn money, then spend money (to live and afford to buy an M3)

You're looking at it from the point of view of a Middle Easterner. All capitalistic Westerners are 'atheistic' in comparison to Mideasterners, but within the West, it's not atheists who have historically promoted capitalism.

[syriano]

melnorme said:

syriano said:

actually I think Athiesm is made for people in order to fuel capitalism (as religion can stunt economic growth).
just work, earn money, then spend money (to live and afford to buy an M3)

You're looking at it from the point of view of a Middle Easterner. All capitalistic Westerners are 'atheistic' in comparison to Mideasterners, but within the West, it's not atheists who have historically promoted capitalism.

athiest don't have to promote capitalism in order to help it. it's concept by it self does. there is no god and religion, so you should only concentrate on living (ie spending)

funny thing is how common and trendy athiesm has become these days. probably ~80% of teenagers claim to be athiest in the west (even if it's temp fase).

[Igu]

syriano said:

funny thing is how common and trendy athiesm has become these days. probably ~80% of teenagers claim to be athiest in the west (even if it's temp fase).

That's because the west has reached a high degree of sicentific progress, it's got nothing to do with capitalism.

Among Kabyle-Berbers, there are a lot of Atheists because of the arabist nature of islam (loughatou al qoran, bedouin culture, spaghetti letters..etc). but most of those people are very conservative.

Our purpose in life is to take our people into high and advanced society, your purpose is to get 60 whores and keep f*cking them everlastingly, I wonder which idea has more virtue...

[Igu]

syriano said:

it really puzzels me how people can be athiests.
how can life with all it's complexity be just a little random thing?

Those are useless questions, they are a hobby for bored people : philosphers.

The main question to ask is this one: are these Jewish religions sent by god (if god exists): No, are they helpful for the emancipation of my people?: No.

Of course, If i was israeli I would not mind being Jew.

[Melnorme]

I think what Syriano is saying, is something like this : capitalistic societies tend to turn atheist, because in those societies people suffer little material need and thus have no 'need' for God. It's just 'shop shop shop' and if worst comes to worst, you can go on welfare.

That's a bit more specific than 'capitalism', though. The world has always had rich people, managers and merchants but didn't have much atheism.
Most people would refer to it as consumerism.

[syriano]

igu said:

syriano said:

funny thing is how common and trendy athiesm has become these days. probably ~80% of teenagers claim to be athiest in the west (even if it's temp fase).

That's because the west has reached a high degree of sicentific progress, it's got nothing to do with capitalism.

Among Kabyle-Berbers, there are a lot of Atheists because of the arabist nature of islam (loughatou al qoran, bedouin culture, spaghetti letters..etc). but most of those people are very conservative.

Our purpose in life is to take our people into high and advanced society, your purpose is to get 60 whores and keep f*cking them everlastingly, I wonder which idea has more virtue...

man you are funny
I don't know what kind of religion they taught you at school, but where do you get this bullshit?

"your purpose is to get 60 whores and keep f*cking them everlastingly"

this is more obious in the west as it seems these days, the purpose in life is to get as much "poon" as possible...

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"That's because the west has reached a high degree of sicentific progress, it's got nothing to do with capitalism."

science doesn't create (livings) , it explains how things function

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"Our purpose in life is to take our people into high and advanced society"

and how did they mighty athiest berbers achieve that?
by milking camels and making salt?
what great contribution did they to take their "people into high and advanced society"??