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Post by Tautamo on May 7, 2005 17:31:47 GMT -5
why doesnt anyone do something?doesnt it seems strange?
i want to point out Christians groups (as far as i know) are the only ones (western countries) making the strongest out cries and actually sending missonaries for helping these people.
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Post by KLI on May 10, 2005 8:17:08 GMT -5
Tautamo, thats just how the world operates. Life is harsh and bleek for most of humanity, for every Sudan crisis theres thousands of forgotten conflicts like the one in Abkhazia
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Post by MC anunnaki on May 10, 2005 10:49:55 GMT -5
Yes, it's sad to say, but we see these kinds of crisis all too often. If it's not a famine somewhere, it's a forgotten war or a flooding or a terrorist attack or something else. Plus the rich world rarely cares about what happens to the poor unless their own interests were being threatened.
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Post by Igu on May 10, 2005 13:01:58 GMT -5
why doesnt anyone do something?doesnt it seems strange? i want to point out Christians groups (as far as i know) are the only ones (western countries) making the strongest out cries and actually sending missonaries for helping these people. Unfortunately, there is no oil there; otherwise Amercans would have kicked their asses ;D
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Post by mike2 on May 10, 2005 14:09:44 GMT -5
I know you're joking, but if Bush really wanted oil, he would have gone after Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Igu on May 10, 2005 14:41:08 GMT -5
I know you're joking, but if Bush really wanted oil, he would have gone after Saudi Arabia. they own saoudia arabia since the beginning of the century, unfortunately, saoudians are a little bit naughty... it's the price to pay for americans: Oil and a lot of money + little terrorism; it seems that it suits them.
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Post by Berter on May 10, 2005 14:49:18 GMT -5
why doesnt anyone do something?doesnt it seems strange? i want to point out Christians groups (as far as i know) are the only ones (western countries) making the strongest out cries and actually sending missonaries for helping these people. Why interventing in the first place!?. Blacks there engaged the war against the partly-arab government of Khartum; It is up to them to stop the war or to continue it. Dont other nations have their problems!?.
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Post by Tautamo on May 10, 2005 16:05:12 GMT -5
Why interventing in the first place!?. Blacks there engaged the war against the partly-arab government of Khartum; It is up to them to stop the war or to continue it. Dont other nations have their problems!?. no the problem muslims and arabs lets not be pc about it.
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Post by Springa on May 10, 2005 16:06:20 GMT -5
I agree that the war for oil argument is a bit simplistic, but Saudi Arabia already supplies the U.S. with oil and is a friendly nation. Plus Saudis own a fairly large chunk of America nowadays. There would be no point in "going after" them, as they're already an associate. Plus, if the U.S. picks a fight with the Saudis and they decide to take their money elsewhere, the American economy will suffer a huge blow. Iraq and Saudi Arabia are 2 completely different situations, so your argument doesn't really hold true. I know you're joking, but if Bush really wanted oil, he would have gone after Saudi Arabia.
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Post by Berter on May 10, 2005 16:08:29 GMT -5
no the promble muslims and arabs lets not be pc about it. Explain, what do you know about Jhon Garang movment!?
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Post by mike2 on May 10, 2005 16:22:05 GMT -5
I agree that the war for oil argument is a bit simplistic, but Saudi Arabia already supplies the U.S. with oil and is a friendly nation. Plus Saudis own a fairly large chunk of America nowadays. There would be no point in "going after" them, as they're already an associate. Plus, if the U.S. picks a fight with the Saudis and they decide to take their money elsewhere, the American economy will suffer a huge blow. Iraq and Saudi Arabia are 2 completely different situations, so your argument doesn't really hold true. I know it isn't realistic. I'm just saying if the U.S. was so desperate for oil I'm sure the Bush administration could put Saudi Arabia at top of the Axis of Evil list in no time.
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Post by k5125 on May 10, 2005 19:13:38 GMT -5
What I don't get is that if America wanted to steal oil, then why didn't we simply steal Kuwait's back when we liberated them in the Gulf war?
Or even better...why not take Iraq's oil after defeating Saddam in them in the same gulf war?
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Post by Springa on May 11, 2005 8:54:37 GMT -5
The point is not that they simply wanted to go there and steal the oil. That's not even what they're gonna do in Iraq, they're still gonna buy it. The point is that, they need to have, for strategic, political and economic reasons, the second biggest oil producer in the world as a friend, on their side, on their sphere of control. That's why the whole war happened, and that's why France and Germany, for instance, were against it. Because if the US didn't get hold of Iraq, another world power would, and Russia and Europe already were doing business there. There was also a tendency towards indexation of the oil price with the Euro, rather than the dollar. Anyway, it's more a matter of controling this oil (and territory also) having oil on friendly soil, than actually stealing it. Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, etc... are all friends already. Venezuela also has tons of oil and is becoming less of a friend, which is why the U.S. are becoming less and less patient with Hugo Chavez and supported a coup d'etat that failed over there a while ago.
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Post by alexandrian on May 13, 2005 16:03:29 GMT -5
I know you're joking, but if Bush really wanted oil, he would have gone after Saudi Arabia. No, because he already has unlimited access to Saudi Arabian oil, his family is chummy with the Al-Sauds and Saudi oil reserves are drying out. Iraqi oil reserves were the largest reserves Bush didn't have access to, and one of the few that weren't drying out.
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Post by Tautamo on May 13, 2005 20:29:30 GMT -5
Explain, what do you know about Jhon Garang movment!? no i dont what is that?
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