Why Anti-Semitism?

[xxx]

TSUNTZU said:

Every post I make is an act of Anti-Semitism.

Including using a picture of Charles Chaplin (a Jew himself) as your avatar? ;D

[recluse]

I've always hated the term "anti-Semitism." What is it, really? There's Jew-hatred which as all hatred is a sin and a form of spiritual self-corrosion but is no danger to a Jew as long as it isn't put into action. There's having a low opinion of Jews which, unlike Jew-hatred, can be reformed by more information. There are goofy but well-intentioned criticisms of Jews. And Jews, being people, deserve criticisms, if criticizing groups of people is valid.

On the other hand there are various projects to keep Jews as second-class citizens or to wipe them out altogether. That's the kind of thing I'd worry about if I were Jewish.

[nobody you know]

yah good post recluse. i cant say i've noticed much antisemitic stuff on this board myself. however i have noticed more anti-black stuff.

Its on the increase tho - although i never experenced any targetted against me - my sister's been recieving a lot of that kind of very nasty abuse at school. And there were soem Jewish kids apart from me in our class who used to get a lot of that sort of thing. im ashamed to say that i joined in with soem of it because i wanted to stay popular. Now however i don't give a shit whether i am popular enough, i am a strong person. antisemitism upsets me but i can deal with it.

thing is as soon as hate takes hold in a society, the people who hate are more likely to be inclined to take those sorts of meausres - wipe them out, etc. they are not going to want to ope their eyes to what's really going on and are going to have less sympathy for the oppressed group.

its quite complicated.

imo the best weapon against antisemitism is exposing how completely, mind-numbingly stupid the "theories" which created it are. No reasonable sane person for example could believe that Jews stole wafers from churches and tortured them with thorns, and from the spot where this occured wells appeared for people to drink out of, and that the wafers turned into doves.

Or that a council of Jews in Spain used to draw lots every year to determine when the next Christian baby to be killed should come from, and that the reason they had to do this was because since they'd killed Jesus they'd all had piles. The Devil offered them a way to stop them getting this disease, which was killing people. They did this and th curse was stopped.

Both of these things have really been claimed in history against Jews as a means of demonising and ridiculing them. And people believed it, because they believed all the other little lies that led up to the big ones. they'd never been given the other side of the story.

Antisemites will NOT tell you these things, because they are incredibly embarrassed about them. The ideas behind their beliefs are so idiotic and stupid that they will struggle to justify them. They'll tell you the things that sound more easier to believe rather than the stupid stuff. Of course many of them probably would not believe this stuff if they saw it, but when you are raised on a diet of any sort of propaganda, you can believe anything that goes along the lines of what you've been taught, however absurd - (some people really wanted to believe Tony Blair's 45 minute claim for example!!)

[izabet]

Ali G. song deemed anti-Semitic (and the guy`s Jewish lol)

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[EternalSemitic]

"Do I want to kill all Arabs?" You know, the like.

being arab is not a synonymous for being semite according to the bible and myself,arabs are hamites so dont you ever confuse them as semitics

[k5125]

izabet said:

Criticism of Israel and Zionism is not anti-semitism, which these things are often made out to be. The Zionist lobby makes such a fuss whenever anyone criticizes any aspect of Israel's "being" and turn it into something to do with anti-semitism. There is also a grave ignorance of genocide that occurred in places like the Ukraine and Armenia. Why aren't these slaughters more visible?

Don't forget the Holocaust machine either. It's as though nobody but the Jews were hurt by it. (My grandfather was in Auchwitz, and he was anything but Jewish...a fascist to be more blunt.) I think that the Zionist lobby has made a grave error in tying Israel to the Holocaust (even though conceivably Israel's existence would help stave off any attempts to eradicate the Jewish people from here on in.)

Just like the Americans, the vocal minority of Jews has brought more hate upon themselves. Now Jews are being tied to the US (funding for Israel, wars in ME etc.) and the intellectual left in EU is becoming increasingly anti-semitic.

I wouldn't say anti zionism is anti semitism. Obviously because some of the biggest anti zionists are Ultra Orthodox neturei karta.

Although its more than a coincidence that mosts anti-zionists out there are anti-semtic.

[mike2]

SemiticWarrior said:

being arab is not a synonymous for being semite according to the bible and myself,arabs are hamites so dont you ever confuse them as semitics

You're an idiot. Very few Arabian tribes are listed as Hamites in the Table of Nations. Almost all of them are descended from Arphaxad, a Semite. The only Hamitic Arabians are those sons of Cush who are listed as having lived in Arabia. Other than that, nada. You could argue that Ishmael was half-Hamitic because his mother was Egyptian, but that's an immaterial distinction because he would have taken a Semitic wife and his Hamitic lineage would be dumbed down into meaninglessness.

According to Genesis, the Arabians of today are an amalgam of Hamites and Semites.

The Hamitic Arabians include the sons of Cush: Havilah, Sabtah, Raamah, Sheba, Dedan, and Sabtecha.

The rest of them are described as descended from Shem through Arphaxad's descendants: Joktan and Peleg. The sons of Joktan were Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah, and Jobab. All of the sons of Joktan are Arabians. They make up the core of the Arabian population. Peleg was the ancestor of Abraham, and Abraham gave birth to many peoples who would be absorbed into the Joktanite Arabian sphere. These descendants include Ishmael (apparently northern Arabians), Esau (the Edomites), Jokshanites, Midianites, Ishbakites, ad nauseum. And let us not forget the Moabites and Ammonites, who were sons of Abraham's brother Nahor. All of the nations listed in this paragraph are sons of Shem. They outnumber the Hamitic Arabians by a vast majority. So don't go around telling people Arabians are all Hamites because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[EternalSemitic]

You could argue that Ishmael was half-Hamitic because his mother was Egyptian, but that's an immaterial distinction because he would have taken a Semitic wife and his Hamitic lineage would be dumbed down into meaninglessness.

hell this guy thinks he knows bible better than me.your perception is obviously wrong.Ishmael the faggot's half hamitic,his wife's hamitic as well,that amounts to three fourth hamitic parts.why do you thing arabs are dark as shit and they got their frizzy hair?it's all because of the curse,the everlasting curse of Ham[canaan if you want].it's been fulfilled,partly fulfilled because of their one fourth semitic part but still this part is negligible.hey and i dont think idolaters as christians and muslims are permitted to read the bible[but you may read the crap in the "New" testament

[mike2]

I do know it better than you. What-- just because you think you're some kind of Jew you know what the hell you're talking about? Why don't you go burn in the fiery pits of Sheol prepared for you and dumbasses like you, you racist ignorant scumbag? You know nothing of God if you actually believe Arabians are some kind of cursed race. Arabians aren't even descended from Canaan. What a moron. You're closer to being a Canaanite than any Arab. I hope you realize that.

[captainusa1]

Mike said:

Why don't you go burn in the fiery pits of Sheol prepared for you and dumbasses like you, you racist ignorant scumbag?

Well, that was mighty Christian of ya'. WWJS, what would Jesus say?

[EternalSemitic]

I do know it better than you

well well look who's talking the lousy born again.get back to your Sunday School and to the pedophile vicar who abused you sexualy he just might teach something or two about why being a homo is wrong


Edit: If you care to stay here think twice what you're going to post and make an effort to be respectful of others!

[EternalSemitic]

Edit: If you care to stay here think twice what you're going to post and make an effort to be respectful of others!

o.k o.k chill.fine with me but what do you think?do you think i'll pass when he's insulted me,refuted and twisted the bible?
despite my reluctance lets leave it on this note alright?but still the bottom line is ARABS ARE HAMITES.

p.s its strange that i've been rebuked twice by the same man so i suggest you learn how to master this mentel thing you got

[mike2]

I haven't twisted the Bible. The majority of the Arabian tribes are described as descendants of Joktan, a son of Shem. That's all there is to my comment. You act like they're all Hamitic pure-breeds. Yes, there are Hamitic Arabians listed as sons of Cush. But that doesn't mean they are the majority or that they are cursed by any means. The fact of the matter is, SemiticWarrior, being a Jew, you're much closer to being a Canaanite than any Arabian. That is simple geographic common sense.

Captain said:

Well, that was mighty Christian of ya'. WWJS, what would Jesus say?

I'm not Jesus and I'm not perfect. Thus I apologize for losing my temper. But I cannot stand when racists misinterpret the Bible to suit their twisted view of the world and then proceed to glorify themselves as being of higher standard. It's idiotic and I won't stand for it.

So I have nothing against you, SemiticWarrior. I just think you reducing Arabians down into a nifty little "Hamite" category is way-off. And you have no business insulting my faith, which is in reality just a completion of yours. My creed has nothing to do with the Table of Nations and you crossed the line.

[captainusa1]

Mike said:

I'm not Jesus and I'm not perfect. Thus I apologize for losing my temper. But I cannot stand when racists misinterpret the Bible to suit their twisted view of the world and then proceed to glorify themselves as being of higher standard. It's idiotic and I won't stand for it.

I *never* lose my temper. The fist-sized hole in my wall was caused by a poltergeist. Nobody believes me, though. Seriously, I think that some people just try to provoke other people, and it spoils their fun if you don't take the bait.

[humantag]

There three at least three different types of of anti-semetism, in my opinion. One is motivated by a more or less blind hatred of Jews that is not likely to change with experience of Jews contrary to preconceptions. This is the antisemtism of the hatemonger, the fringe group etc., and it is more or less an article of faith which is difficult to shake. It is also, I believe, relatively rare.

A second form of anti-semtism is that which arises as a consequence to Zionism and/or Israeli excesses in their dealings with the Palestinians. This is the antisemitism common in the Middle east, and increasingly amongst the left in Europe and America. Some in this camp might even resent the very term 'anti-semitism' as a term for 'anti-Jewish' (as they question the Jews very claim to be 'semites' in the first place).

The third main form of anti-semitism is a reaction to the perception of Jews as an arrogant and/or hypocritical people. Arrogant for imagining themselves 'God's chosen people', hypocritical for charging others with intolerance and bigotry when Judaism is after all, the only religion which is ethnically exclusive. I think this rubs some people the wrong way.

Now, I am not advocating any of these positions - I want to make that clear. I am not an antisemite, and do not encourage antisemitism (I am, however, an anti-Zionist). Nevertheless, the question was asked, "Why Anti-semitism?" so I offered a possible answer.