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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 9, 2004 1:14:32 GMT -5
hmm the order of chirst is the only connection.and the cinco quinas has nothing to with it. the order of chirst symbol is the templars cross "patee" but with the white stipe cross in the middle. i dont see the connection with the legend of the quinas with the templars. |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 9, 2004 7:21:38 GMT -5
I saw some references and you are right... no relation whatsoever...only far far away! I sure did learnt a lot with this exchange of opinions..  |
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Post by Batesy on Jun 9, 2004 8:32:53 GMT -5
you invite people to ask questions then you insult them! how dare you,you jew! Batesy i was joking oy vey!this whole post is absurd!!!!!! you want anti semits to ask you questions then go to those other boards!   Believe me, I was aware you weren't being serious in the first place. However, those jokes weren't funny (and quite offensive if you want to know the truth). |
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Post by Graeme on Jun 9, 2004 8:38:40 GMT -5
Anti Maltese people: Said and Prodigal Son. Of course if you don't read or ignore their posts you would not notice anything awry. Said is an negrocentric racist and Prodigal Son, a mongrel European who thinks Russians are Nordics with less mongoloid admixture than Italians.
The Templars in Malta. Do you mean the Knights of St John of Jerusalem....... they have a long title but known also as the Knights of Malta? They did build Valletta and lots of churches. Actually the Normans conquered the saracens, and the Spanish who controlled parts of Italy who got rid of the saracens during the inquisition. There were knights from all over Catholic Europe, even England up until the King Henry VIII. They lived in palaces according to nationality of the time, for example Castile et Leon, Provence, France, Italia....the palaces were called langues.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 9, 2004 8:49:53 GMT -5
Anti Maltese people: Said and Prodigal Son. Of course if you don't read or ignore their posts you would not notice anything awry. Said is an negrocentric racist and Prodigal Son, a mongrel European who thinks Russians are Nordics with less mongoloid admixture than Italians. Dude, people who don't agree with your notions of every region of the world being 'racially mixed' EXCEPT Southern Europe are not 'anti-Maltese'. |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 9, 2004 8:50:18 GMT -5
I guess templar were the first military order! related to those you mention Graeme, because they were modeled from that templar order (even with common members). So templars and Knights of St John of Jerusalem might not be the same thing...on the paper that is...  |
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 9, 2004 9:45:57 GMT -5
I guess templar were the first military order! related to those you mention Graeme, because they were modeled from that templar order (even with common members). So templars and Knights of St John of Jerusalem might not be the same thing...on the paper that is... No,the knights of malta and the knights of st john are descents of the knights hospitallers which are older than the knights templar!also the peice of land of malta the templars could of had possession but it was lost to the knights hospitallers! i have two books on this which is pretty good! ill have to good look for them to get some references |
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 9, 2004 12:04:33 GMT -5
Hey vitor you will like this! "(3) Knights of St. Michael's Wing, founded in the Cistercian monastery of Alcobaza about 1171, by Alfonzo I, King of Portugal, in commemoration of victory over the Moors, in which, according to tradition, he was assisted by St. Michael in person. The knights were placed under the jurisdiction of Abbot of Alcobaza and were pledged to recite the same prayers as the Cistercian lay brothers. The order was in existence but a short time. " www.newadvent.org/cathen/10272a.htm |
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Post by nordicyouth on Jun 9, 2004 14:14:16 GMT -5
interesting...
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Post by Vitor on Jun 9, 2004 14:31:39 GMT -5
Yes it is... Join religion with weapons, and you got an evil and powerfull army! |
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Post by SwordandCompass on Jun 9, 2004 14:46:19 GMT -5
Yes it is... Join religion with weapons, and you got an evil and powerfull army! evil no,powerful and righteous yes!!! |
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Post by Vitor on Jun 9, 2004 18:45:38 GMT -5
Of course Evil only against their's enemies... |
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Post by Graeme on Jun 10, 2004 9:14:54 GMT -5
Melnorme, don't call me dude! Listen sport, Prodigal Son said some very horrible things: shit skin, Levantine...all the usual Nordicist racist insults levelled at Southern Europeans.
As for Said, well he has said quite a lot of insulting things. You should try harder and read their posts. The reason I left the forum was because of the pandering and kiss arse attitude of some of you to Prodigal Son. What is he? Your hero!
You are on the wrong bus, the one with the bomb on board, I don't give a rat's arse whether people agree with me or not. I don't need the approval or imprimature of anybody, ever.
I don't know where this "notions of every region being racially mixed EXCEPT Southern Europe.." comes from. I have never said that every region is racially mixed or that Southern Europe is racially unmixed. I couldn't care less about the racial purity of Europe, any bit of it, or any other place on this planet. I am more interested in maintaining cultural heritage, language, way of life etc of various parts of this world not whether East Indians are caucasians or mixed with Australoids or whatever. I DON'T CARE. If Europeans want to bed every race on this planet it is not my business, and I may be his satanic majesty, but I can't affect what attracts people to others.
My beef with Prodigal Son is that he does not want to acknowledge the central and east asian admixture of Russians, but wants to fool everyone to believe that Russians are practically Nordic. Come on! He proclaimed as you did that Tat C is not asiatic on another forum. I would have argued otherwise except he is a moderator of that forum and totally changes my posts. What an arsehole. I argued against it because the conclusions drawn from the link article were not justified or logical, reasonable yes, but challengable. Prodigal Son couldn't refute anything I said but resorted to insults and racist taunts. I consider that you were not balanced and was biased on the Prodigal Son issue. Why, I don't know, a Russian bias perhaps?
The purity of any race or sub race cannot be proven, so it is a waste of time debating it. As to admixture with other races or sub races particularly Southern Europeans there is not a lot of evidence. History states that Southern Europe was under the control of muslims, but these muslims were Berbers, some Arabs, and Turks in southeast Europe. As far as I am concerned all those people are caucasians not negroids aka tropical Africans or mongoloids aka Avars, Huns or Mongols. I don't consider that to be miscegenation or being racially mixed. As far as East Africans or Ethiopians are concerned they do have phenotypes that are not negroid but mostly caucasoid. So the belief of long standing, that these people are a ancient cross between caucasoids and negroids is justified and Said's negrocentric rants unjustified. Or are you telling me that North African was not occupied by caucasians in ancient times and that negroes were not based much further south in the central and west Africa? I am not overturning anything, Said is because of his negrocentric views which cloud his brain's ability to understand data and facts or shift evidence. Negroes use a phrase for him, but I can't use it because it has the n word in it.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 10, 2004 9:31:37 GMT -5
Melnorme, don't call me dude! Listen sport, Prodigal Son said some very horrible things: shit skin, Levantine...all the usual Nordicist racist insults levelled at Southern Europeans. As for Said, well he has said quite a lot of insulting things. You should try harder and read their posts. The reason I left the forum was because of the pandering and kiss arse attitude of some of you to Prodigal Son. What is he? Your hero! Yeah, but only after you pissed them off...with your satanic attitude. Yes, but I also still remember how you freaked out when Kukul-Kan ( a decidedly non-hostile person ) made the 'Mongoloid Strains in Italy' thread. And there's more where that came from... Again, this all happened later or another forum. I'm not sure why you're so eager to believe Tat-C is 'Mongolian', I think it's kind of sadistic to wish racial mixiness upon your fellow man. ;D I agree about everything except the East Africans. They are different, but that doesn't make them part-Caucasoid ( although some of them are ). |
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Post by Graeme on Jun 10, 2004 11:40:53 GMT -5
I found that thread of the mongoloid STAIN in Italians quite unbelievable. Italy of all places in Europe. Why was that? Because Coon commented that some skeletons in lombard graves looked mongoloid. Do you think I believe him? No. The mongoloid inheritance of Northeast Europeans is quite believable. The Avar Khanate, the Golden Horde, the presence of various mongoloids in Lithuania, Russia, Ukraine.... Where are the presence of these mongoloids in Italy? The thread was inflamatory, out to yellow the genetic make-up of Italians, and incredible. Everyone has an agenda and mine is outing the agenda of others. What is Kukal-Kan? A Saami or Ugrian? No wonder he wants to prove that even Italians far removed from the source of Asiatic intrusian have mongoloid admixture. It is not enough for negroes, Orientalids and Berbers to have stuck their privates up Italians but now there are the mongols. Why not stick to countries with some proven mongolian admixture like Hungary or Bulgaria?
As to my style. I have one approach and I don't intend to change that. If Prodigal Son wants to take me on, it is not my fault if he is incinerated. Whether Tat C is caucasian or mongolian is not the issue. The issue was the assumptions made in the article. Example, that the higher amounts of Tat C in Europe compared to Asia means that is it European. That is an assumption. Also the restriction of Tat C in Asia to a small population does not mean that it is not native to that people or region. Another assumption was that Europeans gave Tat C to that small population in Asia. I explained that there other ways to look at the facts from a genetic and evolutionary point of view for the smaller presence of Tat C in Asia. So the article writters erred in the conclusion to the facts. The jury is still out on Tat C.
It was Kukal-Kan who was foisting the race mongrel tag on Italians. I just pointed out that East European are more likely to be mixed with mongoloids than anyone south of the Alps. That is not sadistic. It is honest argument and totally unfeeling. I am actually unfeeling in real life, partially autistic. I am not Italian so why should I care if Italians are mixed with Sorbs or Kazahks. I think that Italians are often maligned by ignorant racists from northern parts or the New World.
I still think you are a bigot and anti Graeme. I have no empathic qualities. I will continue to attack racists, nordicists and people with stupid agendas like negrocentrism. I think you put me off side with those "Maltese" photos.
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