H. S. Chamberlain on Spain

[galvez]

Mynydd said:

I much prefer to go out there and chop off a few nordic heads.

There are no "Nordic heads" to chop off because most Nordics do not subscribe to racist views. Most Nordicists are not even Nordic in an anthropometric sense.

[Silveira]

There are no "Nordic heads" to chop off because most Nordics do not subscribe to racist views. Most Nordicists are not even Nordic in an anthropometric sense.

This is very true. In most Germanic/Northern/Anglo countries, if someone was to blabber on and on publicly about how the nordic race is superior, etc., they would be looked at as marginal crazies and advised to seek some form of professional help. Anyway, I would say race obcession is more of a North American phenomenon rather than northern European.

[OdinofOssetia]

Mynydd said:

Silveira, it is great that you found that piece of art.

I have been long insisting in that the Visigoths went Moors all along and on different forums. This can be attested by reading any good History book about Spain, be it from an old or a new author.

It was the Visigoths who called in the Moors to support them on a rebelion, and it was them who first converted to Islam. And it was their descendents (among others who also converted) who were expelled from Spain for being ''Moors'' (i.e. Muslims).

From various sources I suspect that, where the treacherous people who called in the Moors, the party of the family of Witiza, were more pure Visigoths, those who fought on the side of King D. Rodrigo were a mixture of Hispano-Romans (i.e. romanized Celtiberians) and more civilized (romanized) Visigoths. In fact some authors suggest that the conflict between the party of D. Rodrigo and that of the Witiza family may have much to do with this fact.

It is also worth to notice that the Visigoths never got to set full domain in the area of Cantabria, as the population was overtly hostile to them in that mountainous region, just as with the Romans (there was never a full domain by the Romans, but their presence was limited to borders military garrisons much as in the borders with Germania). As such, they had to appoint a local chief as dux (later 'duque') to avoid trouble. Notice that Asturias, the region where the process of Reconquista 'officially' started, together with modern Cantabria, are the area we are talking about now. That means that the Visigoths would have never retreated to such an area, and would have most probably considered the Moslems as a better option than to have their heads chopped off by those highly hostile peoples.

So much for the Visigoths reconquering Spain. The Whimpigoths! ;D

I found this equally insane footnote in another chapter of the "Foundations of the 19th century":

* The Goths, who in a later age went over to Mohammedanism in great crowds, and became its noblest and most fanatical protagonists, are said to have at an earlier period adopted Judaism in great numbers, and a learned specialist of Vienna University assures me that the moral and intellectual as well as the physical superiority of the so-called “Spanish“ and “Portuguese“ Jews is to be explained rather by this rich influx of Teutonic blood than by that breeding which I have singled out to emphasise, and the importance of which he too would not incline to underestimate. Whether this view is justifiable or not may remain an open question.


OK. Iberian Jews are actually "Teutonic" Visigoths....

www.hschamberlain.net/grundlagen/division2_chapter4.html

Totally agree with the above post by Mynydd; but must add that the anonymous so-called "learned specialist of Vienna University" (some student?) had blatantly failed to point out two very important things in his silly claims:


1) Why would the Visigoths ever want to convert to Judaism? Were they ever conquered by the Jews or what?!


2) The Goths were of Iranian Osset origin, so even if that pathetic claim of that unknown Viennese "learned specialist" is true (which I don't think it is), the alleged "superiority" would surely not have been the result of an admixture with Teutonic blood.


More on it here:


michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

[nordicyouth]

Chamberlain has been toking out of J.R.R. Tolkein's pipe, because hasn't elements of Visigothic DNA been found in Iberia, much more prominent than any Arab or Black DNA? Therefore, Iberia's rise and fall has less to do with the amount of German blood (certainly there existed little unified German culture at the time) and more to do with socio-economic conditions.

Much as the English haven't lost their haughtiness but no longer rule much of the Earth - this was decided far in advance of immigration from its former colonies - this may be a cause of increased crime and minor miscegenation, but not of the UK's economic woes.

[geirr]

Imperator-et-Rex said:

Much as the English haven't lost their haughtiness but no longer rule much of the Earth - this was decided far in advance of immigration from its former colonies - this may be a cause of increased crime and minor miscegenation, but not of the UK's economic woes.

I'm not sure about the crime and miscegenation but the British economy is doing well particularly by European standards.

[nordicyouth]

I'm referring to the fall of the British Empire and the bouts of economic problems (e.g. deindustrialization) that followed. Yes today the UK is definitely back on track, but again it has nowhere near the relative power it had back in WWII, WWI, or especially 1815.

[Crimson Guard]

<< I would say race obcession is more of a North American phenomenon rather than northern European. >>

Not at all.Most if not all of these Nordicist/Racist are from Britain and Germany not america but Europe.

The British at one time where some of the biggest nordicist Racist going,who many countries like the USA and Germany copied from their lead during the 18th and 19th centeries up until the early half of the 20th.

Up top of that the Brits,had a real bad habit of trading idendities.Throughout certain times in history you'll find them claiming to be Romans & Trojans,then they called themselves Celtic's,then after that Anglo-Saxon's which became very popular.

The Germanic link is very powerful for the past 100 and more years especially,their nobility is intermarried with the German royal line. So with the English you have to be careful,cause they dont know what or who they want to be,it all depends on what time of month,they switch ...

Being Racialist is one thing,but Nordicism and Afrocentrism are nothing but a wicked true evil,their built upon fantasies,lies,corruption, distortions and other fowl motives that polute their psyhe .

[Quintos]

If Goths are so supreme then how do you explain people like Eminem also the mixed race population that would be present in Spain that supposively caused its decline would be from the Moorish occupation. This "mixed race" element would of existedtheir through out the entire Spanish Empire debunking any theories in my opinion that Spain fell because of racial divisions besides most Spaniards have very little Arab or Nordic heritage they are of primarily med. Alpine and some times Nordic stock but rarely pure Nordic.