Catholic Priests are Homosexuals

[Aria88]

Behold the fiery thread. Does anyone truly believe that there is more than a handful of Catholic priests in the world who are not gay? A tiny minority have sex with women, and a few might be truly either asexual or greatly repressed. As man is a sexual beast, it is unnatural to abnegate sex. I'll save elaboration on this point for a rebuttle, but I believe that the Roman priesthood is a magnet for closet homosexuals. The recent scandals in the US are just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Any other organization would be put under the strictest scrutiny, but most folks don't care because it would burst the old bubble of religious delusion. The Church could make a public relations gambit and permit its clerics to wed, but I don't think they have the cajones.

Well, I'm a-waitin'...

[nordicyouth]

Not all male inmates are homosexual, but they still get desperate, it's a fine line as they say...

[alex221166]

Aria88 said:

Behold the fiery thread. Does anyone truly believe that there is more than a handful of Catholic priests in the world who are not gay? A tiny minority have sex with women, and a few might be truly either asexual or greatly repressed. As man is a sexual beast, it is unnatural to abnegate sex. I'll save elaboration on this point for a rebuttle, but I believe that the Roman priesthood is a magnet for closet homosexuals. The recent scandals in the US are just the proverbial tip of the iceberg. Any other organization would be put under the strictest scrutiny, but most folks don't care because it would burst the old bubble of religious delusion. The Church could make a public relations gambit and permit its clerics to wed, but I don't think they have the cajones.

Well, I'm a-waitin'...

You're nuts.

[SwordandCompass]

A very interesting thread indeed.
Aria88:
"The recent scandals in the US are just the proverbial tip of the iceberg."

One very unpopular and very hush hush un-politically correct thought or opinion is that most of the "recent scandals" of pedophile "priests" is the high amount of irish decedent surnames that these socalled "priests" have.Many are in infact racialy "nordic" or first or second generation americans.

[nordicyouth]

Yes I'm afraid that non-Med White Europeans are more into pedophilia then Meds themselves...alas it just surprises me that the legal marrying age for girls was 12 in Italy up until WWI, and arranged marriages (obviously incl. girls and old rich men) continued for longer and in greater number in Med countries such as traditionalist Portugal...

[Aria88]

Alex: "You're nuts" is the best you have? (Must be a good Catholic boy. Ain't that an oxymoron.)

NORDICyouth: Inmates usually go in straight and come out, often, bisexual. Once you've eaten a wiener, you're a meat eater. No going back. You can't say that because you have had (willing) sex with other men you're not homosexual. Of course you are! Not all men who become priests are gay, but if they are not already, then it's a matter of time. Otherwise, the truly straight will opt out and turn in the cloth. I think more often than not that closet homosexuals who, because of societal/and/or family pressure, sublimate the urge to "come out," and, in order to please Mummy, enter the clergy (no pun intended), thus finding that safe haven. Perhaps at first they intend celibacy, but sooner or later the old urge will rear its ugly head (pun intended.)

I could make a list of varioius basic situations that are present in order for one to join and, susequently, what happens after entry (pun intended) of the Roman Catholic church, but I believe the above certainly is common.

As per the Nordic theory -- maybe, but the ones who get caught are the pedophiles, albeit only a tiny fraction of them. The ones we don't hear about are the ones buggering each other. And they are of all races and sub-races. Father McFly and Father Happypants just informed me that their Irishness had nothing to do with it. And priests don't lie, as we all know.

[Aria88]

NORDICyouth: After 10 years in prison, Rosie Palm and her Five Sisters would still look a lot perttier than some guy's mouth or arse. "Desperate?"

[SwordandCompass]

im not here to fight.But nordicyouth you are simply wrong. much of all the world marriages did occur at a young age.especially "farmers" no matter where in europe.
now the opinion i expressed about a "connection" to pedophilia and irish priests is of course relevant in that many of them are of irish decent (look it up).....just to get back to "young" marriages yes in more industrialized countrys (large citys) maybe it didnt occur as much. but it sure did occur on the country side,yes even nordic countrys.now whether or not meds did it more is subject to debat in that much of southern europe was not "militarized". also here is another non-pc opinion (i stress i am not trying to demoralize anyone! im not picking a fight)
Scandinavian countrys are known for ther liberal open mindness to "homosexuality"
and southern european countrys are known for not being so liberal. Scandinavian countrys also are known for a very high suicide deaths.(now here comes the non-pc part) maybe there is some connection to suicide and homosexuality.i know in america "gays" are at a higher risk of suicide.northern europe is not poor in fact they are some of the richest countrys in the world so poverty and hopelessness might not be that big of a factor for suicide.who knows? im just expressing my opinion.also one last statement numbers are droping all over europe more so in nordic countrys.does homosexuality have something to do with it???

[SwordandCompass]

April 16, 2004
In a move that will force a fundamental decision on the nation, Massachusetts is slated, under court order, to legalize same-sex marriage on May 17. Americans must now either act to maintain the traditional definition of marriage, or see the institution redefined.
In making the decision, Americans need to consider the experience of countries where same-sex unions already exist. Scandinavia has had a system of same-sex registered partnership for over a decade. And marriage in Scandinavia is dying.
Even before the enactment of registered partnerships in the early 1990s, Scandinavian marriage was in trouble. Many Scandinavians were becoming parents without getting married, although couples did tend to marry before the birth of a second child.
Unfortunately, cohabiting parents break up at two to three times the rate of married parents. So, as the birth of the first child was increasingly treated as a test of the cohabiting relationship, family dissolution rates increased. And, as the idea of marriage grew more distant from the idea of parenthood, it became increasingly difficult to say why same-sex couples should not be allowed to marry.
Once put into place, however, de facto same-sex marriage only served to lock in the separation of marriage from parenthood. Today, in areas of Norway where de facto same-sex marriage is most accepted, not only 80 percent of first-born children, but nearly 60 percent of subsequent children are born outside of marriage.
And in conservative and religious sections of Norway, where relatively few children were born outside of marriage in the early '90s, out-of-wedlock birth rates have risen substantially.
Scandinavia's system of same-sex registered partnerships is by no means the only cause of marital decline. Causes such as contraception, abortion, women in the workforce, individualism, secularism and the welfare state also play a role.
Of course, these factors are present throughout the West. Probably because of Scandinavia's large welfare state and strong secularism, patterns of family change show up there first. And scholars agree that family change tends to spread from Scandinavia throughout the developed world.
De facto same-sex marriage has accelerated family decline in several ways. Norway's Lutheran church has been riven by disputes over registered partnerships. In socially liberal Nordland county - where marriage is now rare - churches fly rainbow flags. These flags bid welcome to clergy in same-sex registered partnerships, and also indicate that clergy who do not approve of homosexual conduct are forbidden to preside. The purge of conservative clergy in Nordland has removed a key cultural check on out- of-wedlock births.
Opinion leaders in Scandinavia have not held up the example of gay marriage by way of urging heterosexual parents to marry. On the contrary, radical intellectuals, like family scholar Kari Moxnes, have cited registered partnerships as proof that any family form is acceptable. In 2003, Sweden allowed same-sex registered partners to adopt. Yet instead of using adoption by gay partners to cement the connection between marriage and parenthood, advocates associated gay adoption with the need to accept single parenthood.
Most Americans still assume that parents ought to be married. Yet the influential American Law Institute proposed an equalization of marriage and cohabitation on the Scandinavian pattern in its 2000 report, "Principles of the Law of Family Dissolution." And middle- class parental cohabitation is becoming more common in America. Gay marriage would draw out these trends and set us on the road to a Scandinavian-style distinction between marriage and parenthood.
The spread of the Scandinavian family pattern to America would have serious consequences. Scandinavia has no underclass. Yet a middle- class ethos of parental cohabitation would echo throughout our social system, reversing the welcome turn away from underclass single parenting we've seen since welfare reform.
When it comes to the social consequences of same-sex marriage, Scandinavia has already run the experiment. The results are in. In the part of the world where gay marriage has gained substantial acceptance, marriage itself is dying. We can either define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, or we can stand by watching as the institution endures further decline - and eventual disappearance. Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc. | Article licensing and reprint options

[SwordandCompass]

The End of Marriage in Scandinavia
www.catholiceducation.org/articles/homosexuality/ho0079.html

(article is from 1998)
Nordic and Eastern European countries also have somewhat higher suicide rates, while the southern parts of Europe have comparatively low suicide rates. America and Asia generally have lower rates than most of the European countries.

www.uni-wuerzburg.de/IASR/suicide-rates.htm


Western European and Mediterranean countries have lower literacy rates, more stable GNPs and, accordingly, lower suicide rates. Maruai maintains that better-educated people, especially in countries in transition, are more conscious of their current lower social and economic positions and are therefore more likely to resort to suicide. Furthermore, such people are more familiar with more effective means of taking their own lives, thereby increasing the suicide rate.

www.ce-review.org/00/20/pozun20.html


(graphs)
www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/hea_sui_rat_mal/EUR


(just to let you know again i am not picking a fight......)

[eufrenio]

SwordandCompass said:

April 16, 2004
In a move that will force a fundamental decision on the nation, Massachusetts is slated, under court order, to legalize same-sex marriage on May 17. Americans must now either act to maintain the traditional definition of marriage, or see the institution redefined.
In making the decision, Americans need to consider the experience of countries where same-sex unions already exist. Scandinavia has had a system of same-sex registered partnership for over a decade. And marriage in Scandinavia is dying.
Even before the enactment of registered partnerships in the early 1990s, Scandinavian marriage was in trouble. Many Scandinavians were becoming parents without getting married, although couples did tend to marry before the birth of a second child.
Unfortunately, cohabiting parents break up at two to three times the rate of married parents. So, as the birth of the first child was increasingly treated as a test of the cohabiting relationship, family dissolution rates increased. And, as the idea of marriage grew more distant from the idea of parenthood, it became increasingly difficult to say why same-sex couples should not be allowed to marry.
Once put into place, however, de facto same-sex marriage only served to lock in the separation of marriage from parenthood. Today, in areas of Norway where de facto same-sex marriage is most accepted, not only 80 percent of first-born children, but nearly 60 percent of subsequent children are born outside of marriage.
And in conservative and religious sections of Norway, where relatively few children were born outside of marriage in the early '90s, out-of-wedlock birth rates have risen substantially.
Scandinavia's system of same-sex registered partnerships is by no means the only cause of marital decline. Causes such as contraception, abortion, women in the workforce, individualism, secularism and the welfare state also play a role.
Of course, these factors are present throughout the West. Probably because of Scandinavia's large welfare state and strong secularism, patterns of family change show up there first. And scholars agree that family change tends to spread from Scandinavia throughout the developed world.
De facto same-sex marriage has accelerated family decline in several ways. Norway's Lutheran church has been riven by disputes over registered partnerships. In socially liberal Nordland county - where marriage is now rare - churches fly rainbow flags. These flags bid welcome to clergy in same-sex registered partnerships, and also indicate that clergy who do not approve of homosexual conduct are forbidden to preside. The purge of conservative clergy in Nordland has removed a key cultural check on out- of-wedlock births.
Opinion leaders in Scandinavia have not held up the example of gay marriage by way of urging heterosexual parents to marry. On the contrary, radical intellectuals, like family scholar Kari Moxnes, have cited registered partnerships as proof that any family form is acceptable. In 2003, Sweden allowed same-sex registered partners to adopt. Yet instead of using adoption by gay partners to cement the connection between marriage and parenthood, advocates associated gay adoption with the need to accept single parenthood.
Most Americans still assume that parents ought to be married. Yet the influential American Law Institute proposed an equalization of marriage and cohabitation on the Scandinavian pattern in its 2000 report, "Principles of the Law of Family Dissolution." And middle- class parental cohabitation is becoming more common in America. Gay marriage would draw out these trends and set us on the road to a Scandinavian-style distinction between marriage and parenthood.
The spread of the Scandinavian family pattern to America would have serious consequences. Scandinavia has no underclass. Yet a middle- class ethos of parental cohabitation would echo throughout our social system, reversing the welcome turn away from underclass single parenting we've seen since welfare reform.
When it comes to the social consequences of same-sex marriage, Scandinavia has already run the experiment. The results are in. In the part of the world where gay marriage has gained substantial acceptance, marriage itself is dying. We can either define marriage as the union of a man and a woman, or we can stand by watching as the institution endures further decline - and eventual disappearance. Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc. | Article licensing and reprint options

Interesting! Link please?

[SwordandCompass]

www.thesunlink.com/redesign/2004-04-25/opinion/457479.shtml

[alex221166]

NORDICyouth said:

Yes I'm afraid that non-Med White Europeans are more into pedophilia then Meds themselves...alas it just surprises me that the legal marrying age for girls was 12 in Italy up until WWI, and arranged marriages (obviously incl. girls and old rich men) continued for longer and in greater number in Med countries such as traditionalist Portugal...

You are nuts too. The minimum marrying age for a girl is 16. Most Portuguese women marry during their late 20s or early 30s. You don't have a clue about what you are talking about.

[Graeme]

I am the most anti Catholic person barring ex Catholics like Martin Luther and Jean Calvin and I hate Christianity. My view of clerics is that they should get a proper job. Saying that I think that to say that RC or even Anglican priests are queers is going a bit too far. A minority of queers exist everywhere, so why not the clergy? I know in Australia that there was an orphanage run by the RCs that contained the children of priests and nuns. It was in Ballarat Victoria. So they are not all queer. And what about the priests having relations with their female parishioners.

Look the actions of a minority should not be foisted on the majority who actually believe in their job.

Rosie Palm and her five sisters! In Australia there is a different phrase for that, but I can't remember it. Oh yes, it is Mrs Palmer and her five daughters. And that is the drum cobber.

[AWAR]

I think Orthodox priests have it best... they can marry, and that's that. If they truly want to go 'all the way', they become monks, but that's a far less numerous groupation.

There are just too many priests in the world