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Post by Said Mohammad on Apr 30, 2004 4:08:22 GMT -5
On Refuting_Kemp's site, he has a section called "Why I fear Islamic militancy in Europe." No problem with him stating he has a fear of RADICAL Islam, but one of the links he posted was rather dubious. The one titled "Islamic Image: A Comprehensive Guide to Islam and the Islamic word" should be well noted because it was not constructed by a Moslem, though the name gives that effect. It was constructed by a Muslim hating Hindu named hdd, who totally knows nothing about Islam. He(hdd) has a bias towards Islam because Mughals conquered and ruled India a longtime ago and "mongrelized" some of his people, whom he affectionately calls "sullahs" "sardars"(?), "mudslims", "islumic" and "pukestanis."
Alex The Great! aka "refuting_kemp" likes to portray himself as some sort of unbiased person seeking the truth. If this is so, why does he reference a site that is obviously anti-Islamic and untruthful as a means to rationalize his fear of radical Islam? One can take passages and scriptures from the Bible, Koran, Torah, or any religion and DELIBERATELY misinterpret them to suit their petty agendas, much like the way RADICAL people who profess Islam as their religion do.
In conclusion, if refuting_kemp wants to attack those radical people who profess Islam as their religion he is justified in doing so, but he should have in no wise reference a site that attacks and blames the religion and not the people. there are over one billion Muslims in this world and no even a quarter of them are radical, just a small , very small proportion. If the religion was the problem and not some of the deranged individuals who use it as a crutch for their violence, we would have over one billions killers and that is certainly not the case.
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Post by alex221166 on Apr 30, 2004 6:51:39 GMT -5
I will put links to whatever I consider worth reading, particularly since I have noticed that my eyes have been opened a lot longer than those of most Europeans. I am not unbiased because total and absolute objectivity is not accomplishable when humans are involved.
I obviously do not believe than all Muslims are terrorists - your example that if they were there would be hundreds of millions of terrorists was given by me, so you can stop using my lines.
The problem goes way beyond terrorism. The real problem lies in hosting a population that is not willing to be absorbed, and who worst of all has a higher birth rate than the European average. It doesn't take a genius to understand what will happen to small countries like mine, when countries like Britain, Germany, France, Denmark, Holland and Belgium turn into countries with a majority of Muslims. Of course, I don't believe that the European native population would ever allow things to go that far, but by then the only solution would be a civil war followed by a massive ethnic cleansing. I am not crazy, nor do I enjoy seeing people suffering, therefore I am all for solving a problem before it becomes one.
Another thing that I can't understand is how on Earth imans and mullahs who speak against Europe are allowed to stay in our continent and aren't immediately expelled or put in jail for supporting violence and terrorism.
The more I read about the Koran, the more scared I am. It is fairly easy to misinterpret Islam and to get away from the mainstream views. Islam is to a large extent an acephalous religion, therefore the mullahs are free to interpret the religion as they see fit. I have also noticed that the Muslims who are more reasonable are either those that have been westernised (brought up in Europe or with access to Euro-American culture), or those that have been de-Islamicized (Turks).
It took the Muslim Council of Britain two and a half years to speak out against terrorism. Two and a half years. I am not the one with issues. One of the first things I say in my site is that I am politically incorrect and I am not afraid to expose a liar. I am also not afraid to expose hypocrisy.
Now, since my site isn't even about Islam (the Islam section is limited to four of five links to pages which aren't even hosted by my site) what is your problem? Has it anything to do with the fact that I banned you from my forums because you were creating clones and were eventually exposed by Suzanne who proved that you were Tate, Sunni Ali Ber, AOW, Kempdisciple, Said Mohammed, and God knows how many others? Does it have anything to do with the fact that you tried to post AGAIN after being banned using proxies and I was forced to give you the "Antonio treatment" (delete all your posts)?
You are a basket case. You need lithium or large dosages of Prozac, and the sad thign is that I am not even joking. Those of us who lurk or post in the RM board know how insane you are. Enjoy this post, I don't plan wasting my time with you.
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Post by Said Mohammad on Apr 30, 2004 8:00:09 GMT -5
Lets move past the sentimental nonsense. The isue isn't the spelling of your name . Are you essentially saying that you support genocide and suffering of Muslims to ensure Europe a better future? And what will happen if any of those countries have Muslim majorities? The truth is that there is no real threat of Muslims out populating Christian Europeans. People who speak out against Europeans are not necesarily terrorists or supporters of terrorists. If they support violence and terrorism by actively participating with groups that do such, they should be prosecuted, but to arrest them for speaking out against Europe and expressing their opinions is absurd. What about non-Muslim Europeans who do such? Should they likewise be arrested for speaking out against something they disagree about in their country? Don't bother me with your whinning alex  , I could care less about posting on your filthy board. My post HERE had nothing to do with that, so stay on topic. Suzanne(Mocha, "Tatedawg") is just as equally "wrong" for doing the sdame as I was but I cares less as I said. She's allowed to smear other people's shit around but can't face her own? I'm not going to rehash this issue. My point is most of the links on your site concerning Afrocentrism and religion is just ad-hominem attacks. Unless YOU can muster the knowledge to show what you know, you're not worth my time. |
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Post by Said Mohammad on Apr 30, 2004 8:02:25 GMT -5
I forgot to add one thing, I'm in no way begging to come back to your board.
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Post by Melnorme on Apr 30, 2004 8:26:18 GMT -5
Unless YOU can muster the knowledge to show what you know, you're not worth my time. Then why did you create this thread? |
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Post by Graeme on Apr 30, 2004 10:15:12 GMT -5
Mr. Said M, you don't get it. Islam is not wanted in Europe. Look what Islam has done to Albania and parts of the Former Yugoslavia. It has set them backwards. When non Muslims can live freely, eat and drink what they like, and practice their religions in Mecca is the day muslims should be allowed into Europe. Up to that then, muslims should not be allowed permanency or be considered as citizens of any European country. Of course you could all go to Albania.
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 1, 2004 3:27:04 GMT -5
Mr. Said M, you don't get it. Islam is not wanted in Europe. Look what Islam has done to Albania and parts of the Former Yugoslavia. It has set them backwards. When non Muslims can live freely, eat and drink what they like, and practice their religions in Mecca is the day muslims should be allowed into Europe. Up to that then, muslims should not be allowed permanency or be considered as citizens of any European country. Of course you could all go to Albania. Not in Mecca for it is a Holy City sacred to Muslims. The religion has nothing to do with the perceived backwardness of those countries. You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about. Why not let us Muslims build Mosques and practice our religion in Vatican City? Islam the religion isn't the problem. Thats what backwardminded biased idiotic Europeans like yourself and alex fail to realize. You both think that since Europeans are in a dominant position in the world TODAY that they have the right to dictate how and where people should worship. |
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Post by alex221166 on May 1, 2004 8:38:32 GMT -5
Not in Mecca for it is a Holy City sacred to Muslims. The religion has nothing to do with the perceived backwardness of those countries. You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about. Why not let us Muslims build Mosques and practice our religion in Vatican City? Islam the religion isn't the problem. Thats what backwardminded biased idiotic Europeans like yourself and alex fail to realize. You both think that since Europeans are in a dominant position in the world TODAY that they have the right to dictate how and where people should worship. Cafre: Jerusalem is a sacred Jewish city and that didn't stop Muslims from building the Al-Aqsa Mosque. To many Christians, the city of Rome also has a deep religious meaning, and that didn't stop Muslims from building a mosque there too. Right now , the only European capital that doesn't have a mosque is Athens. How many NEW churches have been built in muslims countries in the last 20 years? In some of countries, the reparation of the early christian churches isn't even allowed... Graeme is correct. Retribution is the key word. The times when you could do what you pleased in our countries and forced us to respect your cultural differences when we visited your countries is dead and buried. That is simply what the French are saying, and I agree. I only regret that the Sikhs have been also targeted by that measure - they only number 6000 in France, and as such they aren't a threat of any kind. Also, you insult Hdd's site about Islam, when the only thing that he did was to quote certain passages of the Koran that explain what exactly are the terrorists basing their actions on - that site has little or no room left for interpretation. It is all just facts. Europeans should be able to dictate where non-Europeans worship in EUROPE because Europe is OUR continent. Not yours. |
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 1, 2004 8:56:04 GMT -5
Cafre: Jerusalem is a sacred Jewish city and that didn't stop Muslims from building the Al-Aqsa Mosque. To many Christians, the city of Rome also has a deep religious meaning, and that didn't stop Muslims from building a mosque there too. Right now , the only European capital that doesn't have a mosque is Athens. How many NEW churches have been built in muslims countries in the last 20 years? In some of countries, the reparation of the early christian churches isn't even allowed... Graeme is correct. Retribution is the key word. The times when you could do what you pleased in our countries and forced us to respect your cultural differences when we visited your countries is dead and buried. That is simply what the French are saying, and I agree. I only regret that the Sikhs have been also targeted by that measure - they only number 6000 in France, and as such they aren't a threat of any kind. Also, you insult Hdd's site about Islam, when the only thing that he did was to quote certain passages of the Koran that explain what exactly are the terrorists basing their actions on - that site has little or no room left for interpretation. It is all just facts. Europeans should be able to dictate where non-Europeans worship in EUROPE because Europe is OUR continent. Not yours. Faggit. Jeruslaem is a sacred city to Muslims, Christians, and Jews, thus all three of those religions have mosques, churches, and synagogues there. Jerusalem wasn't even Jewish at first, it belonged to Canaanites who were the first to settle their. Vatican City is where the pope dwells and I'm pretty sure all of Christian Europe would be pissed if a mosque was there. Mecca is the Holy City of ALL Muslims. Rome is not for all Christians you dumb bastard son-of-a bitch. As for hdd he quoted passages from the Quran that are misinterpreted. Just like those Christians who misinterpreted scripture to enslave Africans or to justify slavery. hdd is a self described hater of Muslims, ALL Muslims, not just those who are terrorists you f*cking moron. Europeans never respected the cultural traditions of others, for example Africans. Don't shit about any retribution faggit, Europeans are in NO position to point the finger at others. |
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Post by Melnorme on May 1, 2004 9:15:14 GMT -5
Faggit. Jeruslaem is a sacred city to Muslims, Christians, and Jews, thus all three of those religions have mosques, churches, and synagogues there. Jerusalem wasn't even Jewish at first, it belonged to Canaanites who were the first to settle their. Vatican City is where the pope dwells and I'm pretty sure all of Christian Europe would be pissed if a mosque was there. Mecca is the Holy City of ALL Muslims. Rome is not for all Christians you dumb bastard son-of-a bitch. This isn't RM. Behave yourself. |
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 1, 2004 9:27:42 GMT -5
This isn't RM. Behave yourself. Behave myself, well f*ck you too. The bastard called me a cafre, tell him to mind himself. At least have some degree of impartiality as a "global moderator." |
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Post by Melnorme on May 1, 2004 9:32:05 GMT -5
Behave myself, well f*ck you too. The bastard called me a cafre, tell him to mind himself. At least have some degree of impartiality as a "global moderator." Come on now. You don't want to get banned here too, do you?  |
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Post by alex221166 on May 1, 2004 9:39:24 GMT -5
Jerusalem is sacred to Muslims because they were allowed to build in that city. Mecca isn't sacred to any other religion because even if we wanted to build a Church over there, it wouldn't last 1 hour and we wouldn't last 5 minutes. You cannot compare the Vatican to Mecca. The Vatican is a sovereign RELIGIOUS state whose only population are members of the Church and of the Swiss Guard. Even if you wanted to build a mosque, you couldn't because there wouldn't be any room. Rome is called the "Eternal city" by Christians. Do you know what that means? It certainly has a deep religious meaning for Catholics (of course you wouldn't know anything about this). Hdd quoted passages of the Koran which EXPLAIN why some Muslims turn into radical freaks of nature. The Koran has passages that promote violence against women, against non-believers, and if one looks hard enough, one will even find signs of racism. There is nothing in the New Testament that could be misinterpreted because there is no mention of Blacks in that book (correction: one of the three kings that visited Jesus was supposedly Black). If you talk about Christians enslaving Blacks, please don't forget the East African slave trade conducted by the Arabs. The funny thing is that I am Portuguese (we are often accused of having been slave traders by Afronuts like you) and yet the only relatives that I know that were actively engaged in that trade as late as the XIX century, had mostly Arab and Black blood. Why don't you accuse the Arabs for a change? Hell, they have oil and they are rich: maybe you could ask them for "compensations"? Europeans never respected the cultures of others? Well, my country did. Let me repeat: IN EUROPE, we will do what we bloody well please PARTICULARLY when outside of Europe, Black Zimbabweans are killing white farmers, when Black south Africans kill and rape thousands of whites every year, and when if we say a thing about it, we are the ones that are labelled "racist". I am sick of it! By the way, quit those comments of sexual nature. In RM, we all knew that you were obessed with homosexuality, but don't bring that over here. |
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Post by Said Mohammad on May 1, 2004 9:40:15 GMT -5
Come on now. You don't want to get banned here too, do you? Ban me for what asshole? The punk called me a cafre and you said nothing. My original üpost that addressed Islam contained no insults what so ever, it was alex who brought the RM attitude here so f*ck off. I didn't start this thread off with insults. |
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Post by alex221166 on May 1, 2004 9:42:10 GMT -5
Behave myself, well f*ck you too. The bastard called me a cafre, tell him to mind himself. At least have some degree of impartiality as a "global moderator." "Cafre" is a Portuguese word that literally means weasel or scoundrel. It even has an Arabic origin, I thought that you would like it  . |
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, I could care less about posting on your filthy board. My post HERE had nothing to do with that, so stay on topic. Suzanne(Mocha, "Tatedawg") is just as equally "wrong" for doing the sdame as I was but I cares less as I said. She's allowed to smear other people's shit around but can't face her own? I'm not going to rehash this issue. My point is most of the links on your site concerning Afrocentrism and religion is just ad-hominem attacks. Unless YOU can muster the knowledge to show what you know, you're not worth my time. 
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