Medicism, Nordicism, and Anger Management

[galvez]

This forum has the potential to rise above Nordnik forums with one basic principle: recognizing the ineffectiveness of ranting over the internet to advance a political or social agenda.

Some notable scenes over the past week: seeing a Nordic woman French-kissing a Negro outside of a club, a blonde Nordic driving a mestizo around town. Nothing posted in a race forum will ever deter these women from doing what they do. Certainly, calling them sick or degenerate or ascribing to them mental disorders will only serve to soothe the egos of those who feel rejected by these women choosing men they are not supposed to.

Calling such and such groups muds, implying a certain group is racially tainted, arguing that race-mixing will bring the ruin of the White race (or Nordic race) is futile as the vast majority of people in society have never even digested a coherent body of ideas from the White Power types nor of the even more fringe Nordic preservationists.*

Ranting against Meds, comparing them to Negroes, portraying them as mentally and psychologically inferior, does absolutely nothing to the refined and unrefined Nordic woman who prefers Latin men (a common phenomenon) or, in some cases, Black men. While these rants are given in fringe forums, Blacks, mestizos, and Meds continue to freely mingle with Nordic women, because these women -- especially the cream of the crop -- don't really care what some internet racial preservationist thinks. What many of these debates really boil down to is the clash of individual egos, since hardly anyone (no one really) outside of these narrowly-focused debates is paying attention.

So, racial preservation is going to have to happen, if it does happen, through other means than internet rants. I leave it up to those who feel their people are dying away to figure out what to do. Whatever they are doing now is not working.


*This has nothing to do with Jewish media control. It has everything to do with the fact that these types are, in general, spiritually and ideologically on a totally different planet than normal people.

[Melnorme]

Ah, Galvez, you've returned, en force.

[symmakhos]

galvez said:

Ranting against Meds, comparing them to Negroes, portraying them as mentally and psychologically inferior, does absolutely nothing to the refined and unrefined Nordic woman who prefers Latin men (a common phenomenon) or, in some cases, Black men. While these rants are given in fringe forums, Blacks, mestizos, and Meds continue to freely mingle with Nordic women, because these women -- especially the cream of the crop -- don't really care what some internet racial preservationist thinks.

This is pure insults pretending to be "the voice of reason" and the kind of thing that got me disgusted with this board in the first place.

[Dienekes]

The "Nordish preservationists" have a racial consciousness that is not shared by the remaining 99.9% of "Nordish" people. This 99.9% freely crosses the "Nordish"/non-"Nordish" line, because they just don't recognize the existence of such a line. This seems like "race treason" to the "Nordish preservationists", but in reality is just a projection of their racial ideology and group identity to people completely oblivious of it.

[symmakhos]

That is not the issue to me, nor is it a proper representation of the truth. Most of the Nordic population, as well as most of the Mediterranean, do regard these "lines" as real, and most prefer to live and procreate within their own homelands. I'm not as militant a "racial preservationist" as for instance Nordhammer, but I think it's sad that so many silly lower-class women from Northern Europe think that Italians or Greeks are "the greatest lovers in the world" and go on slut holidays to the Mediterranean making fools of themselves and their culture. I don't think there is much to do about it, and when the sexual mores have become as relaxed in your countries as they are in ours, we will probably see large-scale miscegenation both ways. I do not look forward to this, since I am for "Diversity" (as this board claims to be). However, I do not think the Inter-European miscegenation is as great a problem as the massive immigration from Asia and Africa to Europe, especially to my own country, Sweden.

However, I resent as an insult the claim that the best of our women prefer Meds to Nords--an insult that galvez repeats over and over as if it were a fact. If I may stoop to that level myself, I have had the opposite experience: the most beautiful and intelligent of Mediterranean women often prefer Northern European men. For instance, at the universities of Oxford, Cambridge and London there is a large colony of postgraduate students--as good as all of them females-- from Greece and Italy. They gladly dated Northern Europeans and often claimed that they thought us (I stayed in London in 2000) much more mature, civilized and intelligent than the boys back home. I had the same experience while spending time in Academic contexts in Rome. The lower-class Roman women were pretty much unavailable, on the other hand.

[Dienekes]

symmakhos said:

That is not the issue to me, nor is it a proper representation of the truth. Most of the Nordic population, as well as most of the Mediterranean, do regard these "lines" as real, and most prefer to live and procreate within their own homelands.

There is a difference between de facto homogamy, which is just a consequence of the fact that the opportunity to intermarry is lacking (because e.g., most people in Europe are surrounded by their co-ethnics) and volitional homogamy, i.e., choosing not to intermarry even though the opportunity is present.

Nordish preservationists think that in their multi-ethnic societies, "Nordish" people have a less-than-desirable tendency to volitional homogamy, hence they want to create the conditions ("racial separation") to enforce de facto homogamy, by reducing the opportunity for inter-marriage.

I'm not as militant a "racial preservationist" as for instance Nordhammer, but I think it's sad that so many silly lower-class women from Northern Europe think that Italians or Greeks are "the greatest lovers in the world" and go on slut holidays to the Mediterranean making fools of themselves and their culture.

If they were sexually fulfilled at home, they would not need to go on "slut holidays".

I don't think there is much to do about it, and when the sexual mores have become as relaxed in your countries as they are in ours, we will probably see large-scale miscegenation both ways.

Assuming that they will become as relaxed, a rather remote probability at least in the case of Greece.

However, I resent as an insult the claim that the best of our women prefer Meds to Nords--an insult that galvez repeats over and over as if it were a fact.

Women don't base their mate choices on appearance as much as men. And, I repeat that the distinction between Nords and Meds doesn't exist in the consciousness of most people.

At most we can say that there are some stereotypes about what "northern" or "southern" people are like. These stereotypes are often based on reality, but ultimately personal relationships are governed by one-to-one dynamics, not by broad group-based stereotypes.

[symmakhos]

Dienekes said:

If they were sexually fulfilled at home, they would not need to go on "slut holidays".

I see you choose to continue with the insults, and disregard just about everything I said. Your hypocrisy is stunning.

[Dienekes]

symmakhos said:

I see you choose to continue with the insults, and disregard just about everything I said. Your hypocrisy is stunning.

Nonsense, I have replied to every serious point in your post, but it is you who has decided to focus on only a single point of my reply.

Women who are fulfilled sexually have no need to go on what you called "slut holidays". If Northern European women do in fact engage in such "holidays", then the only explanation is that they are seeking something which they cannot find at home and which they hope to find in whichever countries they target for their "holidays".

[nordicyouth]

I think folks that we need to find a middle ground. It is a fact that nationalism is among the highest in Europe, followed by larger and vaguer divisions such as North and South, created mainly by a small difference in skin tone and GNP.

All these ethnic groups, be they German, Greek, Finnish, or Basque have endeavoured to preserve themselves - sex tourism does not equal 'subrace-mixing.' A tiny percentage of 'Nordic' women go to the South for sex tourism, where their partners are mostly young hotel workers. There, these women can engage in whatever they want without the problems of a long-term relationship, child, etc. 'Island-Romances' have been common for decades, not just to the Greek isles, and 'what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas...'

Med men can less afford to travel North for sexual purposes, and their women are bound both by culture and finances.

Nordic men are not only the most successful (financially) in Europe, but are the least sexist, having been used to female liberation.

I met many different Italian guys (in groups) in Europe, and they surprisingly were the least sexually aggressive. German men, however, are seen as incredibly sexually aggressive and piggish. So stereotyping goes both ways.

I don't think the fact that Nordic women have the money to travel all over the place means the destruction of their phenotype. For marriage and children, women consider many different factors, and these lean for Nordic women to marry Nordic men. Nor do I think Greece is doomed either - many of these young men are servicing these tourist women for money, and as many are middle-aged German women, find them repulsive.

This is not an insult to Meds or Nords. I just want to say that Nords and Meds have coexisted for Millennia, and prefer to maintain their heritage, regardless of daliances.

[alex221166]

I think folks that we need to find a middle ground. It is a fact that nationalism is among the highest in Europe, followed by larger and vaguer divisions such as North and South, created mainly by a small difference in skin tone and GNP.

What?! Are you even European to be able to make such claims? If there is a sense of communion between some European countries, it is because they share a similar culture. That has little to do with skin tone or GNP, but it has a lot to do with the (almost) 1000 years of constant fighting to secure one's borders from one's neighbours.

All these ethnic groups, be they German, Greek, Finnish, or Basque have endeavoured to preserve themselves - sex tourism does not equal 'subrace-mixing.'

The truth is that most people (not to say ALL) don't give a damn about racial preservation, they have a hard-enough time finding someone who isn't a total pain in the ass. The issue is where they will find that someone - in their own sub-group, or in someone else's? From what I have seen and from what I have heard, women in Northern Europe are much more liberal than the women in the south. Maybe it has something to do with Catholicism and with being more conservative - who knows? - but that is the truth.

A tiny percentage of 'Nordic' women go to the South for sex tourism, where their partners are mostly young hotel workers. There, these women can engage in whatever they want without the problems of a long-term relationship, child, etc. 'Island-Romances' have been common for decades, not just to the Greek isles, and 'what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas...'

The percentage of Northern European women that engage in those so-called "slut-holidays" is probably a very small one, but the truth is that there isn't one southern European male who hasn't witnessed or at least heard of such behaviour in his own country (hell, in Portugal we have a guy who is a sort of a gigolo/sex-hero because he has reputedly had sex with THOUSANDS of Northern European women... and you should see how he looks, the man is disgusting and he barely speaks any English!!!)

Med men can less afford to travel North for sexual purposes, and their women are bound both by culture and finances.

Hmmm... that is also not true. The truth is that we don't travel to Northern Europe during our summer holidays, that's why you won't see us there. Try Mexico, Brazil, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Cape Verde or even the Seychelles in the Indian Ocean.

Nordic men are not only the most successful (financially) in Europe, but are the least sexist, having been used to female liberation.

That may be true, but if you think that most urban southern European men aren't used to female liberation, than you are 30 years too late.

I met many different Italian guys (in groups) in Europe, and they surprisingly were the least sexually aggressive. German men, however, are seen as incredibly sexually aggressive and piggish. So stereotyping goes both ways.

Your personal experiences are unrepresentative of what everyone knows. I could tell you stories of Romans stopping their little motorcycles to check out a women that they had spotted on... And they woudl literally park their motorcycles, stare at the woman, and if she wasn't any good they would start the engine once again. I doubt you could even imagine seeing anything of the sort in Germany.

I don't think the fact that Nordic women have the money to travel all over the place means the destruction of their phenotype. For marriage and children, women consider many different factors, and these lean for Nordic women to marry Nordic men. Nor do I think Greece is doomed either - many of these young men are servicing these tourist women for money, and as many are middle-aged German women, find them repulsive.

Someone told me recently in this forum, about how the Swedish government wanted Spain to help supporting a whole lot of Swedish women who were now single mothers after having visited Spain . Do most southern European men consider the chance of marrying a northern European women they had sex with? In most cases no, but just as an example, I met a Portuguese guy who met a Dannish young woman (she is simply gorgeous) and now they are living together in Denmark.

This is not an insult to Meds or Nords. I just want to say that Nords and Meds have coexisted for Millennia, and prefer to maintain their heritage, regardless of daliances.

There are Nordics even in Portugal. Of course they have co-existed for thousands of years - but like I said, most people don't give a damn about racial preservation, and even less even consider the chance that southern Europeans and northern Europeans are from a different race or sub-race.

[Graeme]

Nordicyouth is North American. His use of tone instead of colour is definitely North American. I am Australian and other than Australia I would choose Southern Europe; I can't imagine living in Northern Europe. It is cold and dreary there and the food - I call it seal food, herrings, herrings, whale meat, herrings... The best cuisines and foods are in Central and Southern Europe.

Symmakhos used the word miscegnation, as Nordicists do, when referring to matings between different European sub types. The Nordic is but an offshoot of the Mediterranean and what you always forget is that the Danubian and Corded were Mediterraneans, neolithic farmers who came from the east. Nothing to do with the Australoid-like, knuckle dragging, UP your lot is so fond of. The UP who in reduced form are Alpines and Ladogans. What the Nordicists seem to be saying is that Nordics are UP, archaic humanoids, huge and hulk like creatures looking like some blond haired Frankenstein's monsters. Frankly in comparison I would prefer the Mediterranean body type just on aesthetic grounds. Why would an evolved type of human like the Mediterranean want to mate with a brutish, archaic humanoid UP. It wouldn't constitute miscegenation, but bestiality.

Personally I think Medicism, Nordicism, Kelticism, Slavism and so on, are absolutely balmy. And judging from the matings occurring around the white world, inter sub racial mixing is very common and unstoppable.

[nordicyouth]

alex said:

The truth is that most people (not to say ALL) don't give a damn about racial preservation, they have a hard-enough time finding someone who isn't a total pain in the ass. The issue is where they will find that someone - in their own sub-group, or in someone else's? From what I have seen and from what I have heard, women in Northern Europe are much more liberal than the women in the south. Maybe it has something to do with Catholicism and with being more conservative - who knows? - but that is the truth.

If there is no med-nordic issue, then why create one, why insult Nordic men and women?

The percentage of Northern European women that engage in those so-called "slut-holidays" is probably a very small one, but the truth is that there isn't one southern European male who hasn't witnessed or at least heard of such behaviour in his own country (hell, in Portugal we have a guy who is a sort of a gigolo/sex-hero because he has reputedly had sex with THOUSANDS of Northern European women... and you should see how he looks, the man is disgusting and he barely speaks any English!!!)

Ever heard of someone making up stories - I've heard equally ridiculous stories from people - when someone is talking about sex they usually aren't having it. Grow up. Graduate from preschool.

That may be true, but if you think that most urban southern European men aren't used to female liberation, than you are 30 years too late.

Actually conservatism and traditionalism are rampant in Mediterranean countries - and most amongst the men. I saw a documentary about Spanish women being more outgoing than their men. I trust that more than you or the other Meds' opinions, which are based more on personal or ethnic pride than reality.

Someone told me recently in this forum, about how the Swedish government wanted Spain to help supporting a whole lot of Swedish women who were now single mothers after having visited Spain . Do most southern European men consider the chance of marrying a northern European women they had sex with? In most cases no,

This is total bullshit. You can't have it both ways: if Nordic women are liberated then they use contraception and abortion. No Nordic woman would willingly become a single mother to a halfbreed child whose father is unwilling and/or unable to support it emotionally and materially. Now you're claiming that the attraction is purely from the Nordic woman to the Med man and that the latter's sexual relations are more out of mercy.

[nordicyouth]

Galvez, you're obviously Hispanic, probably Mestizo. Your comment about blonde women is false, and many women consider Hispanics more unattractive then blacks. Don't try to be a Med cause you're not, and don't get jealous of Nordics either. You're a troll and your best bet is to stay under the bridge.

[nordicyouth]

I don't like it when Nordicists go after other groups (esp. Meds and Slavs), but you Meds are going the opposite way, making you just as lowly. Dodona really is Medona.

[Melnorme]

NORDICyouth said:

I don't like it when Nordicists go after other groups (esp. Meds and Slavs), but you Meds are going the opposite way, making you just as lowly. Dodona really is Medona.

Who is 'You Meds'?