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Post by Stahler on Mar 9, 2004 10:58:51 GMT -5
Catholicism: usurpator of roman religion; destructor of the european pathos and roman empire
Orthodox Christianity: strangely, more pagan than catholicism... numerous gods and goddesses hidden behind the saints, even more than in catholicism (Saint Ilya = Perun... asl)
Protestant Christianity: resemitisation of catholicism; rebel movement against the Renaissance full of heathenism
Islam: born from the war, developed by the war... numerous crimes
Judaism: an heresy borne from the judeo-paganism aka canaanite paganism; El Elyon transformed into Yahweh, a monotheistic god, by patriarchs.
Hinduism: an aryan paganism but contaminated by dravidian cults and which has abandoned the strong polytheism of the Veda.
Buddhism: an heresy borne from hinduism and founded by the atheist Siddharta Gautama, enemy of the casts and of the gods
Scientology : a sect founded by a clever sci-fi writer who had understood how winning money...
Aryo-Paganism: the original paganism of the aryans and the indo-european religions evolving from it (celtic, slavic, albanian, persian, hindu, armenian, germanic, greek...)
and
other european paganisms: basque, finnish, estonian, hungarian
noble religions, authentic, ecologic and ethnic... not created by men wanting power, not created by gurus (Moshe, Yesha ben Yosef, Muhammad, Buddha).
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Post by Tautalos on Mar 9, 2004 12:38:11 GMT -5
Paganism: people who try to get back to their "roots" by reconstructing dead religions A Religion is not dead while it's Deities are known. Therefore, the worship of Iuppiter, Zeus, Odin, Lug, Perun, and Others, are not dead at all. It is a matter of justice. The West belong to it's own Gods. Since the Gods live forever and the westerners did not die yet, the return to Paganism is absolutely legitimous. Speak for yourself. Who are to tell to anyone that they do not understand what you, YOURSELF, claim to unknown? Not all of them: many, were slaughtered before accepting the power of the dead crucified jew. Also - many of those who were converted, were converted by force. And, one way or another, most of the people converted after their own kings - it was a matter of loyalty - not having the slightest idea of what Christianity is. Pointless and insulting «argument».<br> |
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Post by AWAR on Mar 10, 2004 21:35:56 GMT -5
Dandan! Your post ( a great post ) was doubled, so I deleted the double, but it seems that a forum bug deleted the original post too.  I'm sorry for this, it was an accident. Could you please repeat what you said earlier. |
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Post by dandan on Mar 11, 2004 3:00:11 GMT -5
What I replied to Tautalos (see above), before it was so brutally censored  , was that I can, and will, say that the Religions of our ancestors died out long ago. The religion dies with those who practice it. Attempts to recreate these religions are caused, and moulded, by our current situation, our computer-age Western culture. Given the distance between this culture and the culture that nurtured those ancient religions, one would not be surprised if our spiritual aspirations were equally disparate. You, Tautalos, or whoever, can pretend that you are a bearded uber-mensch hunting boar in the wild woods, with wild, virile gods to match, but you are not, and nor will anyone be until the dissolution of the current status quo. Rather, why not take an interest in what that religion has become. There are 2000 years worth European Christian philosophy and theology, and it is of the highest standard. It is not all about the passion of Christ and sin etc. I myself have recently decided to outright reject the Christian denomination of my birth, after reading the works of such heretical theologians as Erigena and Pelagius, who come from my own land and who appeal to me directly from accross the ages. There were Christians 1000 years ago (and more) who rejected sin, rejected the dogmas of Grace, Hell and the divinity of Christ, amongst many other things which are unappealing to the sane. Why not educate yourself, Tautalos, as to your true European heritage which, by the way, does not include anti-semitism. Fantasy figures are fine if you are thirteen, but the quest for spiritual betterment and understanding begins where superstition and delusion end. |
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Post by Tautalos on Mar 11, 2004 10:17:22 GMT -5
that the Religions of our ancestors died out long ago. The religion dies with those who practice it. Not necessarily, if the main elements of that religion are preserved. If a political ideology is virtually imortal, because, being preserved in books, can reborn centuries or even millenia after it's social «end», far more imortal is religion, since the Gods are eternal. Yes, and not only. And your point is...?... Perhaps. And...?... Who told you that the contemporary pagans must try to immitate the lifestyle of ancient people? You, as a Christian, do you live in a Roman catacomb, like the early Christians did? You say that one can be a different type of Christian, based on what some heretic authors have said. But you fail to understand that the same kind of perspective is to be applied to Paganism(s), and even more to Paganism(s) than to Christianity, since Paganism(s), contrary to Christianity, are not dogmatic and therefore allow an almost unlimited varieties of theological and ethical conceptions. You speak about a bearded man, dressed in animal's skins, hunting boars in the woods and worshipping virile Gods... don't you remember of face-shaved politicians, dressed in togas, discussing political ideas at a curia and worshipping virile yet civilized Deities? What about glamorous women worshipping feminine Goddesses? And... what about women and men, dressed in contemporary clothes, working in their computers and worshipping Deities of Intelligence, Wisdom, Technology and Communication? Why not educate yourself within the true European heritage(s), which is(are) polytheistic, allowing all types of human spirituallity and everyday-mystic - for the priest, the philosopher, the magician, the king, the judge, the warrior, the lover, the scientist, the worker, the traveller, the sailor and the shoemaker, and more - and rooted in the ethnic identity of the Europeans, which includes, in the first place, the worship of the great bright Deities of the Sky, *Deiwos, specially the Indo-European Sky Father, Whose Latin version is Iuppiter, the Hellenic one, is Zeus, the Germanic is Tiwaz, the Baltic is Dievas, the Slavic is either Dazbog or Svarog, the Vedic is Dyaus... or the Thunderer, which is Taranis amongst the Celts, Iuppiter and Zeus in Rome and Greece respectively, Thonar for the Germanics, Perkunas for the Baltics, Perun for the Slavs, Indra for the Vedics... ... and many others. |
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Post by sonofzeus on Mar 11, 2004 11:34:59 GMT -5
Zeus(heavenly)/Dyas(earthly).
Roman Juppiter(from Greek Zeus and Greek pater=father).
Hindu Dyaus Pita(same here).
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Post by Stahler on Mar 11, 2004 20:41:24 GMT -5
That is totally false, "son of Zeus". You mean that Iuppiter comes from Greece but it is only a latin god !
Simply,
indo-european/aryan *Dyeus *Pater, meaning "Sky Bright Father" => greek Zeus (modern greek Dias), roman Iuppiter (ancient Dius Pater), germanic Tyr/Tius, old-iranian Dyaosh, vedic indian Dyaus Pitar, baltic Dievas/Dievs, slavic Div (= Svarog), hittite Sius
In Greece, the earth is the domain of Dêô Matêr (Dêmêtêr), "mother earth", from the indo-european goddess *Dheghom *Mater ! "dyas" does not exist or that is "dias", which is simply the modern greek evolution of Zeus (from the genitive form Dios), as you know.
ô Zeus = o Dias
ton Dia = ton Dia
tou Dios = tou Dia
tô Dii = tou Dia
Tautalos,
the god of storm, thunder and war, was the indo-european *mawor also called *perkwunos ("striker"), also called *aryos (lord, noble, brave) and *tenros ("thunderer). Zeus and Jupiter are sky gods, not thunder gods which are in fact Ares and Mars. The different forms of this indo-european god were:
*mawor => roman Mars (Mavors), indian Marut (nickname of Indra)
* perkwunos => slavic Perun, baltic Perkunas, indian Parjanya, albanian Perëndi
* tenros => scandinavian Thorr, hittite Tahrunt, celtic Taran(is)
* aryos => greel Ares, armenian Aray
In India that is Indra, the armenian Vahagn, and in Persia Indar, also called Varathragna or Bahram.
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Post by Tautalos on Mar 12, 2004 6:47:53 GMT -5
That is totally false, "son of Zeus". You mean that Iuppiter comes from Greece but it is only a latin god ! Simply, indo-european/aryan *Dyeus *Pater, meaning "Sky Bright Father" => greek Zeus (modern greek Dias), roman Iuppiter (ancient Dius Pater), germanic Tyr/Tius, old-iranian Dyaosh, vedic indian Dyaus Pitar, baltic Dievas/Dievs, slavic Div (= Svarog), hittite Sius In Greece, the earth is the domain of Dêô Matêr (Dêmêtêr), "mother earth", from the indo-european goddess *Dheghom *Mater ! "dyas" does not exist or that is "dias", which is simply the modern greek evolution of Zeus (from the genitive form Dios), as you know. ô Zeus = o Dias ton Dia = ton Dia tou Dios = tou Dia tô Dii = tou Dia Tautalos, the god of storm, thunder and war, was the indo-european *mawor also called *perkwunos ("striker"), also called *aryos (lord, noble, brave) and *tenros ("thunderer). Zeus and Jupiter are sky gods, not thunder gods which are in fact Ares and Mars. The different forms of this indo-european god were: *mawor => roman Mars (Mavors), indian Marut (nickname of Indra) * perkwunos => slavic Perun, baltic Perkunas, indian Parjanya, albanian Perëndi * tenros => scandinavian Thorr, hittite Tahrunt, celtic Taran(is) * aryos => greel Ares, armenian Aray In India that is Indra, the armenian Vahagn, and in Persia Indar, also called Varathragna or Bahram. That would be interesting... but are there any proofs that Mars is connected with the thunder? I know that Iuppiter and Zeus are Sky Deities in the first place, and that the «Striker» was absorved by both Deities, and so, both became representatives of the Thunder God in Their own pantheons. |
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Post by sonofzeus on Mar 13, 2004 12:14:48 GMT -5
"Stahler"
"You mean that Iuppiter comes from Greece but it is only a latin god"
The latin language related to the Greek language.
"indo-european/aryan"
There is not such thing Indo-European,find me one ancient Greek manuscript which refer the word "Indo-European",the Aryan is used by the Ancient Greeks to describe their selves as indigenous,by the "Aroura"=earthly.
"*Dyeus *Pater, meaning "Sky Bright Father" => greek Zeus (modern greek Dias),roman Iuppiter (ancient Dius Pater), "
Ancient Greek Zefs and Dias.
"In Greece, the earth is the domain of Dêô Matêr (Dêmêtêr), "mother earth", from the indo-european goddess *Dheghom *Mater"
I don't understand these words,they are barbarian...if you mean Mitir Gea.
Dyas" does not exist or that is "ias", which is simply the modern greek evolution of Zeus (from the genitive form Dios), as you know."
Zeus the heavenly father,Dias(see Dion temple too) when he take his earthly form.
"Zeus and Jupiter are sky gods, not thunder gods which are in fact Ares and Mars."
Zeus is a Thunder God too.Ares and Mars are War Gods and Gods of steel.
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Post by Tautalos on Mar 15, 2004 7:02:30 GMT -5
"Stahler" "You mean that Iuppiter comes from Greece but it is only a latin god" The latin language related to the Greek language. The Latin language is related to the Hellenic language but it does not derive from it. They are related because they are both Indo-European. Moreover, they don't even belong to the same branch of the Indo-European family, since the Latins are Italiots and belong to the Celto-Italiot branch, while the Hellenes belong to their own group of that family. Tautalos |
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 20, 2004 5:49:17 GMT -5
Catholicism has many beautiful traditions, but some of its tenets aren't found in the Bible.
Orthodoxy is to Catholicism what Constantinople was to Rome, if you get my drift.
Anglicanism is Catholic Lite, and its called Episcopalianism (rich folks' church) here.
Protestantism separates us from you godless Europeans (j/k), and its denominations range from the very conservative to the very liberal. Some of its denominations are the closest thing to the original Christian church on Earth today.
Judaism is the Mother Religion and was the great witness of the one true God to the ancient world.
Islam is based on submission to Allah, but many of its adherents misrepresent its teachings.
Hinduism is one of the oldest belief systems in the world, and its concept of reincarnation makes sense in a way, although I don't believe in it.
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Post by Melnorme on Jun 20, 2004 5:57:04 GMT -5
'Orthodoxy' isn't monolith, though. In the Middle East, there's 'Eastern Orthodoxy' and 'Oriental Orthodoxy', and the Nestorian Churches which are something else altogether. Not to mention the Eastern Rite Catholics, whose priests are allowed to marry and have children.
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Post by captainusa1 on Jun 20, 2004 8:13:44 GMT -5
'Orthodoxy' isn't monolith, though. In the Middle East, there's 'Eastern Orthodoxy' and 'Oriental Orthodoxy', and the Nestorian Churches which are something else altogether. Not to mention the Eastern Rite Catholics, whose priests are allowed to marry and have children. That's true, but the man wanted SHORT comments.  |
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Post by Igu on Jun 20, 2004 9:07:01 GMT -5
Catholicism: pedophily
Orthodox Christianity: frightening.
Protestant Christianity: cool primitive people.
Islam: I don't wanna explose guys ;D
Judaism: The original copy (the existing one, if you exclude old middle east civilisations)
Hinduism: too aristocratic.
Buddhism: too nihilist.
Scientology : I would like to be the boss of that company.
Paganism: in my blood! ;D
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Post by AWAR on Jun 20, 2004 9:17:35 GMT -5
Orthodox Christianity: frightening. LOL ...why?  There's an airplane with your name on it ;D Could you please please please find for us an article about Berber pagan traditions etc. Just make a new topic about it.. |
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, was that I can, and will, say that the Religions of our ancestors died out long ago. The religion dies with those who practice it. Attempts to recreate these religions are caused, and moulded, by our current situation, our computer-age Western culture. Given the distance between this culture and the culture that nurtured those ancient religions, one would not be surprised if our spiritual aspirations were equally disparate. You, Tautalos, or whoever, can pretend that you are a bearded uber-mensch hunting boar in the wild woods, with wild, virile gods to match, but you are not, and nor will anyone be until the dissolution of the current status quo. 
