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Post by Jack Reed on Dec 12, 2005 22:58:54 GMT -5
Arnold Schwarzenegger, the governor of California, did not stop the execution of the convicted murderer of four people who founded the Crips street gang. Many people, including Jamie Foxx and Snoop Dogg (former Crip), pleaded for clemency. Tookie Wiliams is scheduled to meet his Maker in two hours. Law enforcement is on high alert in case there are riots. www.breitbart.com/news/2005/12/12/D8EF0OSO3.html
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Post by anodyne on Dec 12, 2005 23:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by buddy on Dec 12, 2005 23:35:32 GMT -5
I don't know what I would personally do if I were in Schwarzenegger's position, because even though this guy is obviously guilty of heinous crimes, I don't know if I could actually execute someone else. I'd at least be sure to send the guy to prison for the rest of his life without the possibility of parole, but as far as the death penalty goes, I just don't know. However, it's not like it's any big loss as the guy is still guilty of these atrocities.
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Post by Jack Reed on Dec 13, 2005 0:06:14 GMT -5
I don't know what I would personally do if I were in Schwarzenegger's position, because even though this guy is obviously guilty of heinous crimes, I don't know if I could actually execute someone else. I'd at least be sure to send the guy to prison for the rest of his life without the possibility of parole, but as far as the death penalty goes, I just don't know. However, it's not like it's any big loss as the guy is still guilty of these atrocities. I would hate to be in the governor's position too. I'm against capital punishment, so I would never be in his position because most voters seem to support the death penalty. The governor said that Tookie Williams didn't admit or apologize for his crimes, and those were the main reasons that he didn't grant clemency to him. Another reason was that Williams dedicated one of his books to a black militant named George Jackson. www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/index-beb.html
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Post by buddy on Dec 13, 2005 0:16:43 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not really a fan of capital punishment myself, especially considering that scores of people who were wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death have been exonerated by DNA evidence. I'd say that's one of my top reasons.
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Post by zathuras on Dec 13, 2005 0:41:39 GMT -5
Execution is immoral and I consider it to be state sanctioned murder.
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Post by Jack Reed on Dec 13, 2005 1:06:03 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not really a fan of capital punishment myself, especially considering that scores of people who were wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death have been exonerated by DNA evidence. I'd say that's one of my top reasons. I've actually heard people say that it's worth the risk. They claim that it's acceptable if one innocent person among a hundred guilty people are executed. I always argued against capital punishment using the reverse equation. I'd rather see 99 guilty people live than to see 1 innocent person die.
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Post by Jack Reed on Dec 13, 2005 1:09:43 GMT -5
Execution is immoral and I consider it to be state sanctioned murder. I don't think that it's murder in most cases. I also think that it has no place in the USA in 2005, *but* I can understand why the survivors of murdered people would support it.
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Post by buddy on Dec 13, 2005 1:12:10 GMT -5
Yeah I'm not really a fan of capital punishment myself, especially considering that scores of people who were wrongfully convicted and sentenced to death have been exonerated by DNA evidence. I'd say that's one of my top reasons. I've actually heard people say that it's worth the risk. They claim that it's acceptable if one innocent person among a hundred guilty people are executed. I always argued against capital punishment using the reverse equation. I'd rather see 99 guilty people live than to see 1 innocent person die. I agree with this, I could never live with myself if I discovered that I ordered the execution of an innocent person.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 13, 2005 1:20:05 GMT -5
The execution of Tookie Williams reminds of an N.W.A song called "One Less Nigga We Gotta Worry About".
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Post by Crimson Guard on Dec 13, 2005 1:20:31 GMT -5
All forms of Theives,Rapists,Drugdealers and Murderers should be killed for the publics amusement and satisfaction or put into slave labor camps to work until they die...Wasting tax payers money so that they can watch cable TV,be fed well and still do drugs among other things behind bars is not my idea of punishment for sleazebags.
If crime is a dieses,then it must be cured using any means necessary .
This black piece of shit,needed to be killed along time ago...Schwarzeneggers first thing he did right.
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Post by asdf on Dec 13, 2005 1:37:50 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing that.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 13, 2005 1:40:00 GMT -5
Seizure why don't you drop your 2 cents on this subject.
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Post by buddy on Dec 13, 2005 2:07:34 GMT -5
All forms of Theives,Rapists,Drugdealers and Murderers should be killed for the publics amusement and satisfaction or put into slave labor camps to work until they die...Wasting tax payers money so that they can watch cable TV,be fed well and still do drugs among other things behind bars is not my idea of punishment for sleazebags. If crime is a dieses,then it must be cured using any means necessary . This black piece of shit,needed to be killed along time ago...Schwarzeneggers first thing he did right. Crimson why do you say "black" piece of sh*t? The guy is a scumbag, but the fact that he's black shouldn't make you think it has anything to do with it. Remember McVeigh!? How about the Unabomber!? Just saying that there's good and bad in every ethnic group. Furthermore, have you any idea how much it costs for the state to execute someone? Definitely more than it does for the state to send someone to prison for life. What they really should do is seek alternative sentences for nonviolent drug offenders. I don't mean the dealers, but the abusers. This will ease the problem of prison overcrowding and save more prison space for violent offenders. Thus, you'll kill two birds with one stone by saving the taxpayer money AND saving prison space for violent felons. Both capital punishment and the construction of more prisons are burdensome to the taxpayers. Don't get me wrong though, I do understand the families who would want to use capital punishment, and I sympathize with them. I think capital punishment should be reserved for someone like Osama bin Laden or Adolf Hitler, people who have been responsible for the death of countless people.
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Post by tonynatuzzi on Dec 13, 2005 2:11:48 GMT -5
What do you think buddy,efter Tookie is executed do you think we will see a repeat of the 92 riots all over again in the Black community.
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