Spains muslims leader said...

[ndrthl]

Spain’s Muslim leader Abdelkarim Carrasco:

“Either Europe develops and supports the idea of a mixed culture, or Europe has no future".
www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2005510798,00.html

Contrary to him, I think that the larger the number of immigrants, the more tense the situation will get.

[heavenwood]

The link to your article is broken btw...

[eufrenio]

Abdelkarim Carrasco is a convert! How pathetic!

Carrasco, 56, converted to Islam when he was 30 and moved to Granada from Seville two years later

www.amperspective.com/html/in_granada.html

[redbaron]

Imagine what the reaction would be if the Pope demanded Pakistan and Saudi Arabia create a mixed culture not dominated by Islamic ideals or else "they'll have no future?" ahahahaha.

[MC anunnaki]

“Either Europe develops and supports the idea of a mixed culture, or Europe has no future"

No, either Muslims adapt to Europe by becoming secular or they can move back to the shitholes they came from. If Carrasco doesn't like that, he can leave with them.

[syriano]

^^ is that really fair? (for any given people, not just muslims).

he said: Europe should develope and supports the idea of a mixed culture.
foreign cultures are a reality in Europe now, you can't go around it

Anunnaki, aren't you a foreign culture in Sweden?

even if someone is secular, that doesn't mean they'd give up their culture...

[heavenwood]

That's not a fair thing to ask. As long Muslims are law-abiding citizens and do not hold extremist ideals, there is no reason that they be ostracized by society.

[MC anunnaki]

The problem is that law-abiding Muslims rarely, if ever, condemn the actions of their crazed brothers. In Sweden, Muslims never protest against the abuse against women by Muslim men, against the rapes that are largely perpetrated by Muslim men from the Middle East and Africa, against honour killings, against forced marriage of both Muslim girls and boys, against terrorism. Their silence is eerie. They're pretty good at demanding rights because their stupid religion says so though. No sex ed for Muslim students, no swimming lessons in school for Muslim girls, no co-ed gym classes for Muslim girls, halal meat in schools and kindergarden, Muslim men not accepting to shake the hands of female work collegues or bosses and not to mention their constant bitching blasphemy whenever someone in this country exerts his/her right to freedom of speech. And they piss and moan constantly when a Muslim woman doesn't get a job because of her headscarf. I don't mind Muslim women wearing headscarfs, but they have no right demanding that employers should accept it as well. Top that with the blatant hypocrisy when Muslim boys are allowed to date and screw around and party, while Muslim girls are locked up in the home until they're old enough to be married off.

What bothers me the most though is how Europeans just bend over freely to get screwed.

[ndrthl]

heavenwood said:

The link to your article is broken btw...

sorry. try the on line "The Sun"s edition of today.

[ndrthl]

eufrenio said:

Abdelkarim Carrasco is a convert! How pathetic!

Carrasco, 56, converted to Islam when he was 30 and moved to Granada from Seville two years later

www.amperspective.com/html/in_granada.html

It is pathetic indeed. Ive read and heard some muslims comment Spain belong to them.

[ndrthl]

anunnaki said:

The problem is that law-abiding Muslims rarely, if ever, condemn the actions of their crazed brothers. In Sweden, Muslims never protest against the abuse against women by Muslim men, against the rapes that are largely perpetrated by Muslim men from the Middle East and Africa, against honour killings, against forced marriage of both Muslim girls and boys, against terrorism. Their silence is eerie. They're pretty good at demanding rights because their stupid religion says so though. No sex ed for Muslim students, no swimming lessons in school for Muslim girls, no co-ed gym classes for Muslim girls, halal meat in schools and kindergarden, Muslim men not accepting to shake the hands of female work collegues or bosses and not to mention their constant bitching blasphemy whenever someone in this country exerts his/her right to freedom of speech. And they piss and moan constantly when a Muslim woman doesn't get a job because of her headscarf. I don't mind Muslim women wearing headscarfs, but they have no right demanding that employers should accept it as well.

What bothers me the most though is how Europeans just bend over freely to get screwed.

Yes, you are so right there! Ive been reading so much stuff on the events which have been taking place in Europe now, and I noticed every muslim was either condoning the protesters or blaming the French for all that has been happening. None of them said anything about the use of violent means (which should be expected when it comes to religious leaders and/or alike)...

[nordicyouth]

anunnaki said:

“Either Europe develops and supports the idea of a mixed culture, or Europe has no future"

No, either Muslims adapt to Europe by becoming secular or they can move back to the shitholes they came from. If Carrasco doesn't like that, he can leave with them.

Nuff Said

[nordicyouth]

anunnaki said:

The problem is that law-abiding Muslims rarely, if ever, condemn the actions of their crazed brothers. In Sweden, Muslims never protest against the abuse against women by Muslim men, against the rapes that are largely perpetrated by Muslim men from the Middle East and Africa, against honour killings, against forced marriage of both Muslim girls and boys, against terrorism. Their silence is eerie. They're pretty good at demanding rights because their stupid religion says so though. No sex ed for Muslim students, no swimming lessons in school for Muslim girls, no co-ed gym classes for Muslim girls, halal meat in schools and kindergarden, Muslim men not accepting to shake the hands of female work collegues or bosses and not to mention their constant bitching blasphemy whenever someone in this country exerts his/her right to freedom of speech. And they piss and moan constantly when a Muslim woman doesn't get a job because of her headscarf. I don't mind Muslim women wearing headscarfs, but they have no right demanding that employers should accept it as well. Top that with the blatant hypocrisy when Muslim boys are allowed to date and screw around and party, while Muslim girls are locked up in the home until they're old enough to be married off.

What bothers me the most though is how Europeans just bend over freely to get screwed.

I have an Iranian friend who has exactly the same point of view. Here, the Iranian community is relatively traditional (Muslim), leading to some organized and not so organized crime on the part of Iranian males, but generally, they are far more integrated and secular than other Muslim groups or even Hindus.

[MC anunnaki]

Yes, Iranians in exile tend to be rather secular, if not straight out atheists. There are shitheads in every population, I'm not trying to make Iranians sound like a better people in my anti-Muslim rant. I dislike Iranian Muslims just as much.

[syriano]

anunnaki said:

The problem is that law-abiding Muslims rarely, if ever, condemn the actions of their crazed brothers. In Sweden, Muslims never protest against the abuse against women by Muslim men,

abuse of women by M.E. men is exaterated I think. The west has it's high share of violence against women too (from their statstics).
violence against women is wrong of course.

against the rapes that are largely perpetrated by Muslim men from the Middle East and Africa

I am sure if they are asked, they'd condemn it. do you want them to hold a rally for it?
in Islamic law, rape is punished by death sentence.

btw, rape incidents are wayyy higher in the west than in the M.E.

, against honour killings,

again, if they are asked, they'd condemn it. This matter especially is very exaterated. this practice is carried by some crazy tribal traditions in some remote areas only

against forced marriage of both Muslim girls and boys

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this is a personal matter, they should solve their own problems

against terrorism.

I believe after each terrorist attack, the religous leaders in the affected country issue a fatwa condemning the attacks

They're pretty good at demanding rights because their stupid religion says so though. No sex ed for Muslim students, no swimming lessons in school for Muslim girls, no co-ed gym classes for Muslim girls, halal meat in schools and kindergarden,

this indicates to a civilized and humanitarian society. if the laws don't harm anyone, then what's the problem?
of course the muslims should appreciate what's given to them and act it...

Muslim men not accepting to shake the hands of female work collegues or bosses

ok this is bullshit I agree, but how common is this?


finally, I admit that the face of Islam has changed recently (in the last 5 years). I noticed many muslims feel they are targeted by the west, which has given them a bad idea of westerners (not saying they are gonna bombard them ). alot more radical showed up..
at the same time, the actions of some Muslims has turned the westerners against muslims also.

actually, even muslims against muslims (as in Iraq).
Islam is in a very bad period now I think

I feel old writing all of this. I am actually a very secular 21 yr old Syrian Musilm