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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 13:34:59 GMT -5
Dravidians - south Indians.
would any of you agree that Dravidians are the most unfamiliar ethnic group(s) in the world? if so why? Dravidians have an ancient classical civilization as evidenced from our highly distinctive languages, linguistic scripts, grand distinctive south indian style temples, performing arts and hinduistic religions. we have ancient sanskritic language-cultural, racial nord indid influences, including islamic and european christian ones plus a tweakey bit of jewish also.
we have highly distinctive looks - features-clothing styles, including people that adopt or assimilate western influences - so why are south Indians unfamiliar mostly? is it because we are lumped as "asian" or "indian" or something like that? or is it cuz our traditional history wasn't influential on a world scale-
afterall we didn't have a greek - roman empire, a byzantine one, an ottoman one, a sinitic one, neither mongol, neither ancient egyptian etc,. even the mughal empire of south asia was relatively marginal further south.
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Post by ndrthl on Oct 23, 2005 13:42:28 GMT -5
Ramanujan was a Dravidian
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 13:57:09 GMT -5
so you read indian philosophy? cool, so what else do you people think about south indians? do you like our spicy food - which again tastes very distinctive -, visit a south indian temple?, do you like the way we look? like would you be attracted to a south indian girl in a saree or would you ladies consider dating south indian men? etc,.
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Post by Mike the Jedi on Oct 23, 2005 14:04:09 GMT -5
Fierce Dravidian, do you believe the Dravidian languages to be the spawn of Elamitic?
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 14:09:04 GMT -5
just from subjective observations, i suppose that westerners would treat south indians more conservatively - i'm not sure (?), even if we are highly westernized and speak english as a first language (india - especially south india is highly anglicized - broadcast tv, newpapers in english, colleges, schools in english etc.)
- the conservative complex might be racial - but also due to reasons of unfamiliarity. but otherwise in a general way would any of you consider Dravidians as attractive? such as the tamils of Madras also called Chennai, or Kannadiga dravs from Karnataka, Telegu dravs from the coastal town of Vishakapattanam, etc - Hyderabad which is in telegu - andhra pradesh might be somewhat different i suppose - more islamicized telegu dravs - with primarily south asian but including some west eurasian ancestry also.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 14:13:35 GMT -5
Fierce Dravidian, do you believe the Dravidian languages to be the spawn of Elamitic? i can speak, read and write in every dravidian language such as kannadiga and malayalam - although in terms of dravidian relationships to antiquity, well i'm not familiar about that at all. like ...'where were dravidians before they were in southern india?' i dunno.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 16:23:13 GMT -5
Jedi, heres something - i noticed that in the regular atlas books that depict 'asia' - well just from the depiction of the continental area there doesn't seem to be a great distance between turkey and sri lanka - its funny give it a shot from your atlas book - i'm not talking about globes only atlases- and neither am i trying to imply anything in particular - its simply interesting that when atlases depict geographical asia and when the relative distances are observed transversely from the page(s) of the atlas the distances don't appear to be great from sri lanka through turkey linearly-
this must correspond with the distance from around the adamawa - niger - congo - benue - congo area of west africa to the cape - (?) - very interesting give it a try from your atlas. your comments?
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Post by kir on Oct 23, 2005 17:58:34 GMT -5
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 18:13:25 GMT -5
very intriguing Ibra - you've actually mentioned those two groups before - the brahui are familiar in terms of location btw - i'm not a linguist, neither am i a scholastic acadademic but as a speaker of dravidian languages i'd be very interested - intrigued in speaking to those people just for experimentation sakes - just what part of eastern india are we talking about? orissa? or somewheres in maharashtra? are these people a 'khondi' 'gond' people?
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 18:22:24 GMT -5
presumably i wouldn't understand them from a dialectecal basis just the way i don't fully comprehend jamaican, afro-am, or aussie -british slang lol!
those groups you mentioned Ibra - are they illiterate? are they tribal groups? the brahui must utilize urdu since this is the lingua franca of pakistan and for 'ingroup' purposes their language - brahui - the baluchistan province of pakistan and iran.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 18:23:55 GMT -5
maybe even afhanistan, if baluchistan actually enompasses that area also.
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 18:32:03 GMT -5
Ibra as you can see i'm ranting - its better that you extrapolate on the groups you mentioned as you might have the necessary info even if its subjective thats ok -
dude, man! a south indian telegu girl in a beautiful saree with traditionally perforated motifs on it, her beautiful waist in full view, eating biriyani with her graceful fingers! HOT! that reminds me of 'Vizag' - vishakapattanam! man i wish i was there right now! i'll be chasing those beautiful babes - i like them more brown than fair.
what do you say Ibra?
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Post by kir on Oct 23, 2005 18:54:15 GMT -5
Here is a map of Dravidian languages. These languages are usually grouped in North, Central and South. Brahui, Telugu, and Tamil are examples of each in that order. Of the three, North Dravidian is probably the rarest. North Dravidian is spoken in Bihar; Madhya Pradesh and even in Nepal. Literacy is pretty rare, and in the 20% range. The current hypothesis is that the Indus valley language belonged to the North Dravidian family. I’m not sure how some of these groups reached Nepal, was it a recent movement? Anyway Fierce, what can you tell me about the Dravidian in the North East, or the tribes that live there. Distribution:
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 19:13:43 GMT -5
whew! that's unbelieveable, drav speakers in nepal and bihar! was gonna ask you about their literacy situation - as they might be tribal groups.
in terms of informing you about these eastern dravs such as the konda for example - they must be tribal agrarian dravs - not so dissimilar in looks from other tribal groups from the same area such as the santali - basically deep toned dark, and other similar physical characteristics. Orissa is interiesting as this state probs has the highest number of disperate tribal groups in india - the linguistically unrelated santali as i've just mentioned and those unbelieveable bondos from the same state.
damn! that kurux group is absolutely unfamiliar and so is that malto one - these must be relictual - primitive types of groups - more primitive tribal or tribal-agrarian groups - just the way those 'bangara' nord indid nomads live in the south, lol!
it's probable that i might have chanced upon pics of the kurux from national geog mag - they look like south indian dravidians without mongoloid admx - basically deep toned, pyknomorphic indo melanids, big thick long wavy drav hair, familiar dravidoid features in the face, etc.
that map is unbelieveable!
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Post by $$$ FD $$$ on Oct 23, 2005 19:17:30 GMT -5
Here is a map of Dravidian languages. These languages are usually grouped in North, Central and South. Brahui, Telugu, and Tamil are examples of each in that order. Of the three, North Dravidian is probably the rarest. North Dravidian is spoken in Bihar; Madhya Pradesh and even in Nepal. Literacy is pretty rare, and in the 20% range. The current hypothesis is that the Indus valley language belonged to the North Dravidian family. I’m not sure how some of these groups reached Nepal, was it a recent movement? Anyway Fierce, what can you tell me about the Dravidian in the North East, or the tribes that live there. Distribution: this map is amazing! Ibra why don't you elaborate on these dispersed groups?
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