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Post by IranianLion on Oct 24, 2005 16:41:18 GMT -5
lol all i have to do is take a look at a towel head and an iranian and know that ure wrong lol i dont need genetics, btw whitest iranian i can think of is khatami, and we all know who he looks like I take it that you don't have a leg to stand on and have resorted to making unsubstantiated claims. Anyway, genotype is not phenotype. I never claimed that Iranians look like Europeans or that Iranians are "white". Try and concentrate. It's not really that difficult. Honestly. Are you sure you're Jewish? Most Jews I know are intelligent... PS Iranians and Turks are "towelheads"; Arabs are "ragheads". These are racist terms do not use them. How would you like it if I called you a kike?
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Post by yigal on Oct 24, 2005 17:34:19 GMT -5
now iranians are towelheads? make up ure mind
theres no diffrence between raghead and towellhead and turks are niether lol they are fez heads, if ure refering to kafiyehs i preefer the term picnic blanket head, i was refeering to turbans and dont say arabs dont wear em they do wear em wrapped around a taqia its popular in yaman as the profet wore one, and im sorry for saying towelhead lol i keep forgeting its considered offensive
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Post by Yankel on Oct 24, 2005 17:52:21 GMT -5
I take it that you don't have a leg to stand on and have resorted to making unsubstantiated claims. Anyway, genotype is not phenotype. I think that map was designed to show racial clusters, as opposed to the genetic distance between Iran and other Near Easterners. Without context, it doesn't mean much. What study did you pull it from? Also, in this case, genotype and phenotype do correlate.
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Post by asdf on Oct 24, 2005 17:54:12 GMT -5
It's Cavalli-Sfroza, Yankel.
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Post by Yankel on Oct 24, 2005 17:55:54 GMT -5
Thanks. But does anyone have a description to go with it?
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 24, 2005 18:08:28 GMT -5
I take it that you don't have a leg to stand on and have resorted to making unsubstantiated claims. Anyway, genotype is not phenotype. I think that map was designed to show racial clusters, as opposed to the genetic distance between Iran and other Near Easterners. Without context, it doesn't mean much. What study did you pull it from? Also, in this case, genotype and phenotype do correlate. In order to show "racial clusters" the diagram must accurately represent genetic differences. It is not sylised. It is from The History and Geography of Human Genes by Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza. It is diagram 2.35 on p.82. You can buy it (or maybe find it in a good library). Here... www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0691029059/104-0424352-2414357?v=glanceContext? It is a graphical representation of the genetic differences between populations using autosomal DNA data. What more context do you want? If you are interested, take a look at this review. Note in particular the following: www.mugu.com/cgi-bin/Upstream/Library/Miller/genetic-history.html
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Post by yigal on Oct 24, 2005 18:10:24 GMT -5
also at the end of the day im still more european than u, so call me what you want, and have a nice day
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 24, 2005 18:14:01 GMT -5
now iranians are towelheads? make up ure mind theres no diffrence between raghead and towellhead and turks are niether lol they are fez heads, if ure refering to kafiyehs i preefer the term picnic blanket head, i was refeering to turbans and dont say arabs dont wear em they do wear em wrapped around a taqia its popular in yaman as the profet wore one, and im sorry for saying towelhead lol i keep forgeting its considered offensive That's ok. Towelhead refers to someone who wears a turban and raghead refers to someone who wears rags. It's quite obvious that there is a difference. Turks and Iranians are "towelheads". They are called this because they used to wear turbans (the Fez was invented much later). Nowadays only their clergy wear turbans (less than 1% of the population). Arabs are "ragheads" because of their traditional dress. Many Arabs continue to dress like this, especially in the Arabian peninsula. Arabs are much more associated with these than turbans (they also have no organised clergy as such unlike the Shia).
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 24, 2005 18:14:46 GMT -5
also at the end of the day im still more european than u, so call me what you want, and have a nice day Bravo! Let me congratulate you on that...
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Post by yigal on Oct 24, 2005 18:36:15 GMT -5
lol i was just saying u can call me what u want, but im still almost 100% southern european so it wouldnt make sense
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Post by yigal on Oct 24, 2005 18:37:14 GMT -5
Kafiyeh=Picnic blanket head raghead to me makes me think of those unwrapped turbans pakis and afghans wear
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Post by yigal on Oct 24, 2005 19:00:32 GMT -5
actually this is wrong both you and yankel are wrong in diff ways i dont know exactly how to explain this maybe melnorme can, Jews are not identical to their hosts populations and at the same time they are often not extremly alien, their is overap and certain features could be taken diffrent ways but their is an "ashkenazi" look despite not every single ashkenazi having it, and there is also a "sephardic" look simply put in a crowd of israelis u will spot a spectrum slowly changing in color but with simmilar features, that spectrum gets slightly contrasted by Arabs and by russians and ethiopians who often have distinct looks (altho some russians may not, and even some ethiopians can have "jewish" features) and at the same time i dont mean to say their is a feature that is exclusivly jewish, im just bad at explaining basically u can put an afram in a crowd of somalians and he may not stand out, because of natural varation but when u put 2 or 3 and say there are african americans amongst u pick them out, it may get easier knamean? either way genetics shows ashkenazim arent simply Europeans of the Jewish faith but a Hybrid population leaning more on the middle eastern side As I said, it's a tendency. Many Ashkenazim have a very "Middle Eastern" appearance (I'm loathe to use that description but it keeps it simple). What you have written is not incompatible with what I wrote. Although I stand by my contention that if you were to put Jewish and non-Jewish Iranians in the same room you could not tell them apart. As I understand it, genotype is not the same as phenotype. Many genes have no effect on appearance. Perhaps some/many of the Jewish genes that differ from those of their host populations are of that kind. well since ya feel like bein an asswipe to me i thought id do the same the corect word is loath in that context,which means reluctant, loathe means hate, they are pronounced completly diffrenf i can get awway with writing bad but u cant since ya make a big deal about being smart yet cant use a word in the right context
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 24, 2005 19:09:15 GMT -5
As I said, it's a tendency. Many Ashkenazim have a very "Middle Eastern" appearance (I'm loathe to use that description but it keeps it simple). What you have written is not incompatible with what I wrote. Although I stand by my contention that if you were to put Jewish and non-Jewish Iranians in the same room you could not tell them apart. As I understand it, genotype is not the same as phenotype. Many genes have no effect on appearance. Perhaps some/many of the Jewish genes that differ from those of their host populations are of that kind. well since ya feel like bein an asswipe to me i thought id do the same the corect word is loath in that context,which means reluctant, loathe means hate, they are pronounced completly diffrenf i can get awway with writing bad but u cant since ya make a big deal about being smart yet cant use a word in the right context Alright, alright Einstein. I put an extra e in by mistake. But they are pronounced the same.
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Post by yigal on Oct 24, 2005 19:17:06 GMT -5
well since ya feel like bein an asswipe to me i thought id do the same the corect word is loath in that context,which means reluctant, loathe means hate, they are pronounced completly diffrenf i can get awway with writing bad but u cant since ya make a big deal about being smart yet cant use a word in the right context Alright, alright Einstein. I put an extra e in by mistake. But they are pronounced the same. yeah if u cant speakie the english, they have two diff TH sounds (TH and DH) u know the sounds that used to be two diff glyphs (thorn and eth) one is TH as in this the other TH as in Thistle Does Iranian have the two sounds? Arabic does, so does biblical hebrew (thaw/Dhaleth)
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 24, 2005 20:22:08 GMT -5
Alright, alright Einstein. I put an extra e in by mistake. But they are pronounced the same. yeah if u cant speakie the english, they have two diff TH sounds (TH and DH) u know the sounds that used to be two diff glyphs (thorn and eth) one is TH as in this the other TH as in Thistle Does Iranian have the two sounds? Arabic does, so does biblical hebrew (thaw/Dhaleth) What the f*ck?! I live and was educated in the UK. Trust me when I say that I can speak English.
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