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Post by Pepe friend of obelix on Oct 25, 2005 11:40:56 GMT -5
i can post turkish models WHO LOOK EXACTLY like these true Persians! what do you mean Turkish models. There are a lot of different nationalities in Turkey. A lot of Balkans. When we talk about Azeri Turks, then we are talking about prototypes. For those prototypes you can visit my blog. You see the link under. You compare Persian prototypes with Azeri prototypes. Not some model with plastic surgery and different ethnic background. You are cherry picking pictures which you are fond of.
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Post by Pepe friend of obelix on Oct 25, 2005 11:42:19 GMT -5
dont pussy foot around tell me the name of the places. What do you mean by places? I just told you. What are you looking for? i am looking for persians not one or two pictures of people with ligh colored eyes like you have in your blog
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Post by oslonor on Oct 25, 2005 12:43:46 GMT -5
What do you mean by places? I just told you. What are you looking for? i am looking for persians not one or two pictures of people with ligh colored eyes like you have in your blog The purpose with those people are not the color of the eyes or color of the hair. It is the shape of the face that is important. I have a group on Yahoo. Here is some of the discussions we had on Azeris yahoopartone.blogspot.com/
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Post by eufrenio on Oct 25, 2005 13:04:21 GMT -5
Oslonor, I think this Azeri vs. Persian discussion well deserves its own thread. We are miles from the original topic.
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Post by oslonor on Oct 25, 2005 13:14:04 GMT -5
Oslonor, I think this Azeri vs. Persian discussion well deserves its own thread. We are miles from the original topic. I was just responding to some questions. Otherwise please continue with your subject.
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Post by Yankel on Oct 25, 2005 18:15:08 GMT -5
Yes, context. And, actually, every autosomal map designed to show major racial clusters is stylized. It is a graphical representation of the genetic differences between populations using autosomal DNA data. What more context do you want? And that tells us what about the samples, statistical analysis, etc? A description would aslo be useful.
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 25, 2005 18:34:13 GMT -5
Yes, context. And, actually, every autosomal map designed to show major racial clusters is stylized. It is a graphical representation of the genetic differences between populations using autosomal DNA data. What more context do you want? And that tells us what about the samples, statistical analysis, etc? A description would aslo be useful. I'm not sure why you are nitpicking like this. It seems to me you're just saying "I don't like the results so I won't believe them". The review I posted goes into the methods in some detail. If you want more, read the book. They tested thousands of people and took data from hundreds of articles. It is the book that first showed that other groups split off from Africans and when this occurred. It was the first book to talk about demic diffusion from the Middle East into Europe in the Neolithic. A lot of their results were surprising. For example, Northern Chinese are closer to Caucasoid populations than they are to Southern Chinese! Yet these results still stand. I'm not so sure why I have to even provide any more "context". We're talking about the seminal text in the field by someone who is widely regarded as the preeminent population geneticist in the world.
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 25, 2005 18:38:23 GMT -5
BTW the pic of "Shermine" posted is not Shermine Sharivar. That woman does not look Persian at all; she looks South American. This is Shermine Sharivar.
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Post by asdf on Oct 25, 2005 18:49:19 GMT -5
You're saying she looks mestiza or what? There's nothing typical for South Americans. Amerinds, mulatos, mestizos, and Europeans are in close numbers. I see no non-caucasoid admixture.
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 25, 2005 19:08:03 GMT -5
You're saying she looks mestiza or what? There's nothing typical for South Americans. Amerinds, mulatos, mestizos, and Europeans are in close numbers. I see no non-caucasoid admixture. Yes, she screams mestiza to me. I bet very much that she is. And she would look alien walking down the streets of Tehran. Besides, she is not Shermine Sharivar as claimed. Shermine (despite being half-German) looks very Persian to me. By that I mean that if I were walking down the street in Tehran I would not think that she was not fully Persian.
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Post by asdf on Oct 25, 2005 19:22:53 GMT -5
I think you're exaggerrating at least. What about her looks specifically mongoloid?
I know, but whether she does or not is irrelevant if we don't know what her German mother looked like.
Her German mother is all news to Oslonor, who curiously ignores every biography that mentions it...
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Post by IranianLion on Oct 25, 2005 19:52:29 GMT -5
I think you're exaggerrating at least. What about her looks specifically mongoloid? Just her look. Mostly the shape of the eyes and their distance apart. The nose is a bit mestiza-looking too (the way it's downturned at the tip like that). Anyway even if she is not mestiza, when I look at her I just don't think Persian. That site is just a load of crap. I mean that picture is obviously not Shermine Sharivar; the skin tone for one is completely different. So what is it doing there? Shermine doesn't have black hair; it's brown. I wouldn't trust that site at all. Well, I advise you not to listen to him.
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Post by anodyne on Oct 25, 2005 20:31:29 GMT -5
dagistanli, i'm not sure but i can't help coming back here to look at those pics
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Post by oslonor on Oct 25, 2005 21:33:15 GMT -5
I think you're exaggerrating at least. What about her looks specifically mongoloid? I know, but whether she does or not is irrelevant if we don't know what her German mother looked like. Her German mother is all news to Oslonor, who curiously ignores every biography that mentions it... ... You do not give any source for your biography. I have seen many websites that describe Shermine as having both parents Iranian. There is a lot interests at stake for others to claim that she is half german. The whole contest was canceled in 2004 because of this. She was again re-elected in 2005. If she was half german then there was no problem with other countries. They all could say she is not really Persian but she is half german. All this goes to the problem of some people want to deny that there are nodic looking Persians (nordic and Not Nordish). These people want to say that all Persians are meds. And the Aryan history connecting Germans and Persian is not true. Even if her mother was German, it does not matter. Because she looks fully Persian. So your point about half german is also lost. Because it does not matter. A fully Persian can look Shermine.
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Post by asdf on Oct 25, 2005 23:01:32 GMT -5
It's Wikipedia. Bad source, I know. A better one, Hier: Vor allem mit ihrer selbstbewussten Ausstrahlung hatte die Tochter einer deutschen Mutter und eines Iraners die Jury laut dpa überzeugt. ( www.max.msn.de/lifestyle/gesellschaft/miss_europe_2005) Einer deutschen Mutter... Show some of 'em. "Nordish" is supposed to be a lumping of several (northern) European subtypes. Scandonordid/Nordic/Nordide is included in that. If some Persians were Scandonordid, they would be accepted under the arbitrary Nordish cluster. But they aren't. Some are nordoid, none in the present day are scandonordid Some do. Coon screws that up. He claims rediculously that Arabia is the present nucleus of the Mediterranean race, which seems to be very arbitrary or stupidly based on pigmentation and cephalic index. It is to the extent of lingustics. The Germans themselves are made up of peoples who spoke many languages, some of which were celtic, but you don't see any celtic speakers nowadays. Nordids did get to Iran, but no Persians are nordid. I don't really have much of a point with the whole German thing. I agree with you that she fits within Persian variability, but I'm not convinced her mother is Persian. I've never seen a bio that said otherwise or really see a reason to lie. Almost all W. European countries have had extra-European national beauty contest winners in their pushing for racial plurality and mixing, so I don't understand why you said it was cancelled for this German stuff. Please elaborate on that one.
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