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Post by syriano on Oct 10, 2005 11:33:16 GMT -5
for f*cks sake what are you people complaning about? is it that hard for those westerners not to eat in public for one month? is it even f*cking nice to eat infront of fasting people? ? I mean common, if the person infornt of you is hungry and thirsty, have some decency not to eat in front of them. you should see how well the foreigners are treated here in dubai. Most of them don't even want to leave. They finally can drive a porsche and an m5 with out even doing much... finally those westerners don't have citizenships, so they can't compain about shit (same thing goes for me, an Arab). Those Muslims in whatever country, when they complain, they have citizenships, so they have the right to demand stuff. if you don't like it, then don't give them citizenships.... ps; in Syria you can eat in public
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Post by MC anunnaki on Oct 10, 2005 11:48:08 GMT -5
is it even f*cking nice to eat infront of fasting people? ? I mean common, if the person infornt of you is hungry and thirsty, have some decency not to eat in front of them. I completely disagree. A) If Muslims are in the West, then THEY are the ones who have to bend to the rules of the West, not the other way around. You don't see Westerners in Muslim countries demanding pork, do you? B) Ramadan is an optional fasting. I do not feel sorry for a "hungry and thirsty" fasting Muslim in Sweden because he/she has chosen to fast. C) It is not rude in anyway to eat in front of a fasting person, especially not in the West were extremely (if any?) people starve. you should see how well the foreigners are treated here in dubai. Most of them don't even want to leave. They finally can drive a porsche and an m5 with out even doing much... I've also heard that Dubai is a nice country, but that doesn't mean the West has to bend to the will of Muslims residing in the West. Driving a Porsche seems great, but then you die and you can't take your fancy car with you. finally those westerners don't have citizenships, so they can't compain about shit (same thing goes for me, an Arab). Those Muslims in whatever country, when they complain, they have citizenships, so they have the right to demand stuff. if you don't like it, then don't give them citizenships.... Citizenship also means obeying the rules of your adopted nation. The West has freedom of religion and freedom to piss on any religion you like. In no way, shape or form, does being a citizen of a Western country allow Muslims to bitch and whine about non-Muslims eating in public during Ramadan. If Muslims don't like it, they're free to leave. ps; in Syria you can eat in public I think you can eat in public in many Muslim countries, seeing how many Muslims do not fast.
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Post by syriano on Oct 10, 2005 12:15:17 GMT -5
anunnaki, I am talkig about westerners complaining in Middle eastern countries...
the muslims in the west should not demand the westerners not to eat during Ramadan
btw, I hear alot of Jews complain about Christmas holidays in the west...
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Post by MC anunnaki on Oct 10, 2005 12:38:10 GMT -5
anunnaki, I am talkig about westerners complaining in Middle eastern countries... the muslims in the west should not demand the westerners not to eat during Ramadan Okay sorry, I thought you meant Muslims in Western countries. btw, I hear alot of Jews complain about Christmas holidays in the west... If they don't like Christian holidays they can pack and head for Israel. ;D However, most Jews are pretty secular and probably celebrate Christmas as well, as a fun thing.
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Post by DeLacroix on Oct 10, 2005 13:35:09 GMT -5
finally those westerners don't have citizenships, so they can't compain about shit (same thing goes for me, an Arab). Those Muslims in whatever country, when they complain, they have citizenships, so they have the right to demand stuff. if you don't like it, then don't give them citizenships....
Here, the first thing an illegal immigrant do, when he puts his feets on some andalucia beach , it's complaining about their "rights", complaining about "free health care", complaining about " free education for their children", complaining about "mosquees", complaining about "being free to go on with their barbaric customs", complaining and complaining, ..........................they don't even have a legal residency, so stop mumbling about citizenship and shit.
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Post by syriano on Oct 10, 2005 16:13:01 GMT -5
sounds like bullshit (except if they demand basic necessity)
show me prof
I think the leftist are the ones to do the complaining, not the ilegal immigrants.
finally, if Europe is so concerned with immigrants, then they should start making babies and accept to do rubbish jobs. immigration comes with good and bad effects, you have to accept that.........
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Post by Wadaad on Oct 10, 2005 17:32:03 GMT -5
anunnaki, I am talkig about westerners complaining in Middle eastern countries... the muslims in the west should not demand the westerners not to eat during Ramadan btw, I hear alot of Jews complain about Christmas holidays in the west... but it wasnt a "westerner" who started this thread, rather a pesky Jew aka Yigal
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Post by Ilmatar on Oct 11, 2005 1:42:58 GMT -5
I wonder how muslims keep ramadan in northern countries (like Scandinavian countries, Canada, Russia etc.). In summer daylight hours there are very long, while in winter - very short. I guess it is difficult to keep ramadan in summer time, when sun sets only at 11 p.m. and rises already at 3 a.m. So they can eat then only at very late night! In winter, sure, is very easy - sun is shining only some hours, so muslims can eat and drink almost all day. And how is about latitudes northwards Arctic Circle? I guess muslims would just die from hunger there, if ramadan happens in summer, because sun shines then all the time - day and night! I heard that at least Tatars who have been living in Finland for 100 years and over now and are Muslims have traditionally used the Cairo horizont to determine the beginning and the end of the fasting. I don't know exactly why they used the Cairo horizont, but I think it's because Cairo is in the same time zone with Finland, so it's easier to keep track of it.
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Post by CooCooCachoo on Oct 11, 2005 18:54:32 GMT -5
It should be ok to eat in front of Muslims during Ramadan. ...But it should be illegal to smack ones lips, and eat sticky teeth licking stuff like peanutbutter.
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Post by yigal on Oct 11, 2005 22:08:23 GMT -5
anunnaki, I am talkig about westerners complaining in Middle eastern countries... the muslims in the west should not demand the westerners not to eat during Ramadan btw, I hear alot of Jews complain about Christmas holidays in the west... but it wasnt a "westerner" who started this thread, rather a pesky Jew aka Yigal Listen here tobey, i am as western as western gets, im from the new world aint got no connections to the old world
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Post by MC anunnaki on Oct 11, 2005 23:45:52 GMT -5
It should be ok to eat in front of Muslims during Ramadan. ...But it should be illegal to smack ones lips, and eat sticky teeth licking stuff like peanutbutter. Peanutbutter should be illegal.
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Post by DeLacroix on Oct 12, 2005 8:56:40 GMT -5
hey anunaki, do you fast? ;D
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Post by MC anunnaki on Oct 12, 2005 10:05:08 GMT -5
Nope (I'm not Muslim).
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Post by Igu on Oct 12, 2005 16:32:55 GMT -5
for f*cks sake what are you people complaning about? is it that hard for those westerners not to eat in public for one month? is it even f*cking nice to eat infront of fasting people? ? I mean common, if the person infornt of you is hungry and thirsty, have some decency not to eat in front of them. I am complaining because it is on MY land, and yes it is hard not te eat in public for one month because (when i lived there): -I need to smoke every hour. -I need my cup of black coffee at 10:00 and at 14:00. -I want to eat at 12:00 because I can't get home. -I want to drink because I am thursty. -I want to work/study properly, not like a disabled person. -It gives me pleasure to eat in front of someone who's fasting. I actually did that, people did not react because they feared an "ethnic-confrontation" between Kabyles and Arabs at university, if I was Arab they would have buried me alive. Now, I can go to jail on my own land, that's f*cking frustrating. Kabyles, remember very well that name, you'll hear about it very soon.
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Post by syriano on Oct 12, 2005 17:05:51 GMT -5
Igu, I was mainly talking about the gulf region. I don't know how it is in Algeria or most Arab countries
in Syria you can eat in public. you'd get bad looks if you are eating in a crowded area, but that'd be lack of respect in the first place imo...
I assume you are in Algiers? is it kabyle land there?
btw, I never heared about Kabyles before I came to this board...
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