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Post by masri on Aug 4, 2005 14:05:51 GMT -5
First, you might always find a criterion according to which you can group peoples like Semites (Jews, Arabs), NAs (Imazighen, Orginal AEs) and Indoiranians (kurdes, ...) in one sphere but whatever this this criterion is, you cant add Blacks to them. Second, I'm not attempting to distance Berbers from Blacks to lump them with any other 'race': Berbers do not fit in the European sphere, yes. As a Berberist, my capital concern is our racial and cultural preservation. Next time try to express your ideas frankly. Be EXPLICIT. I have no hidden meanings...and there are many criteria that links together Blacks+North Africans in one sphere....Islam is one, the Arabic tongue is another, and the point you made in your first post is a third, I can think of many more but I made my point. Not all North Africans are Muslims
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Post by Wadaad on Aug 4, 2005 14:35:25 GMT -5
you got my point i wasnt downplaying the non-muslim element in NA...just that its Islamic culture predominates...and lol @ your explanation for Egypt receiving aid USA gives aid to Egypt because it signed peace treaty with Israel, so its more a reward than *aid* since Egypt could use real aid and not some political measure to sustain a pro-American regime. Remember that treaty you signed with Israel cost you guys to lose Saudi aid and also killed Sadat... North Africans do not dominate football except for clubs and even then its not really domination.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 4, 2005 14:55:33 GMT -5
I have no hidden meanings...and there are many criteria that links together Blacks+North Africans in one sphere....Islam is one, the Arabic tongue is another, and the point you made in your first post is a third, I can think of many more but I made my point. Not all North Africans are Muslims ...And not all NAs are religious (--fake religious ).
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Post by Igu on Aug 4, 2005 15:10:58 GMT -5
Since when are you a Tuareg, Berter? Your ethnicity lies in the Atlas mountains, not in the Sahara. As far as I'm concerned, Riffians look like the long-lost cousins of the Irishmen. And give me a break... most racially damaged? I'd be willing to bet your people only became racially conscious in the wake of the colonial era. I hardly doubt your ancestors gave two shits about mixing with blacks. Pussy is pussy. I believe so too...his ideals and code of conduct are not in tune with regular Berbers. Or worse they might become mainstream and fuel some kind of Tutsi vs Hutu prejudice which also stems from people's identity becoming overwhelmed by colonialism. Wadaad, You are talking shit here, Kabyles are the whitest group among the berbers and guess who are behind every single Berber assiociation to help the tuareg? Kabyles, Guess who said that Berberism is not based on Race? Kabyles, Guess who is the webmaster behind everysingle web-site treating about Berbers (and some exclusively about Tuareg)? Kabyles. French never discriminated because of Race in N.Africa, everyone was able to get the french nationality, Arab, Berber, Black, European, anyone, they just had to leave islam in order to have all the civil rights of a french. French discriminated those who wanted to keep being muslim or those who did not want to be french.
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Post by Igu on Aug 4, 2005 15:14:50 GMT -5
you got my point i wasnt downplaying the non-muslim element in NA...just that its Islamic culture predominates...and lol @ your explanation for Egypt receiving aid USA gives aid to Egypt because it signed peace treaty with Israel, so its more a reward than *aid* since Egypt could use real aid and not some political measure to sustain a pro-American regime. Remember that treaty you signed with Israel cost you guys to lose Saudi aid and also killed Sadat... North Africans do not dominate football except for clubs and even then its not really domination. I am not arab and I am not of islamic culture, we only celebrate Aid-Al Adha, I am of Berber pagan culture (we clebrate Yenayer).
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Post by Wadaad on Aug 4, 2005 15:22:35 GMT -5
Igu but my point was about most of North Africans
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 4, 2005 15:30:33 GMT -5
Guess who is the webmaster behind everysingle web-site treating about Berbers (and some exclusively about Tuareg)? Kabyles. Thats not true, although most Internet Sites on Berbers are run by kabyles. There are chleuh, amazigh and riffian websites as well. Igu, you should not mix State and Individuals: Most french - taken as individuals- did (and still do)discriminate against NAs on the basis of race. The french state (France) is officially not racist. The main factor considered by the french in allocating their citizenship to NWAs during the french occupation era was the extent to which the individual in question collaborates with the colonials, not his religion.
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Post by masri on Aug 4, 2005 17:57:31 GMT -5
you got my point i wasnt downplaying the non-muslim element in NA...just that its Islamic culture predominates...and lol @ your explanation for Egypt receiving aid USA gives aid to Egypt because it signed peace treaty with Israel, so its more a reward than *aid* since Egypt could use real aid and not some political measure to sustain a pro-American regime. Remember that treaty you signed with Israel cost you guys to lose Saudi aid and also killed Sadat... North Africans do not dominate football except for clubs and even then its not really domination. Well, we didn't start the aid until the peace treaty (thank God for it) and Saudi aid wasn't much. However, there are a lot more factors at play. First off, you can't deny Egypt's geopolitical significance at the crossroads of three continents, its location and reputation as a peaceful yet powerful nation in the world's most dangerous region, and the fact that it's the largest "Arab" nation makes it an important asset to America's hopes for foreign policy. Though I do understand your point and that about Islamic culture and stuff. Moreover, debt relief didn't come in until after we sent the second largest contingent to Gulf War I, most of whom were on the front lines (you think the low rate of American casualties is just a coincidence?) and that really showed America we were a valuable asset. Though I definitely don't agree with the current system of aid, it's not wholly out of pity or reward, Egypt serves America well. Plus, other than aid, we get kind words too! Like GW Bush when he said "The great and proud nation of Egypt, which has showed the way towards peace in the Middle East, must now show the way to democracy". I think we're probably the only country in the world other than Britain and Israel Bush has ever complimented. In fact, that's probably the smartest thing he's ever said! Ahly and Zamalek are both on top of their groups in the African Champions League, you should check out the football section of BBCNews.
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Post by greatness on Aug 15, 2005 23:57:20 GMT -5
I am not racist against blacks. They are not my favorite group, but they've usually been at the end of the stick. I mean which other race has seen so much poverty, enslavement and destruction. And still everybody hates them.
I really dislike muslims and Arabs though. I mean they have destroyed any cultures, like christians, but Islam is more personal for me. I mean forget about Iran, they demolished it. Look at Iran 2500 years ago, the pinnacle of the world, now a "rogue" state that most consider barbaric. Because of Islam and Arabs. Just ask Berter the Mazix or Igu and I bet they could tell u what muslims did to north Africans. Look at what muslim Arabs are doing to the Darfur region in Africa. The only group I know to be as racist and destructive is the English, and maybe Americans are there modern-day legacy.
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Post by Melani2333 on Aug 16, 2005 16:49:26 GMT -5
Greatness, Are you Persian?
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Post by greatness on Aug 16, 2005 17:38:17 GMT -5
of course. If I wasnt, I wouldn't be so great, would I? ;D
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Post by syriano on Aug 21, 2005 15:38:56 GMT -5
sad to see the North Africans hating on other Arab countries like this...
well on the other hand, Arabic union is joke really.
I think our best friend is Iran (& lil brother Lebanon ;D )
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Post by Gamed on Aug 22, 2005 10:28:20 GMT -5
you got my point i wasnt downplaying the non-muslim element in NA...just that its Islamic culture predominates...and lol @ your explanation for Egypt receiving aid USA gives aid to Egypt because it signed peace treaty with Israel, so its more a reward than *aid* since Egypt could use real aid and not some political measure to sustain a pro-American regime. Remember that treaty you signed with Israel cost you guys to lose Saudi aid and also killed Sadat... North Africans do not dominate football except for clubs and even then its not really domination. I am not arab and I am not of islamic culture, we only celebrate Aid-Al Adha, I am of Berber pagan culture (we clebrate Yenayer). No, you are secularised - westernised person who lost all his culture or spiritual heritage and now is trying to compensate this lack of real culture by furious nationalism (European invention from the 19th century). What is the "Berber pagan culture" ?!? 100 or 150 ago were your people as much islamised like all Algerians and Maghrebis, both Arab and Berber speaking. Even today are Berber peasants in Morocco the most religious segment of the Moroccan society (as I´ve been told by my Moroccan friends). I know 2 Algerian Kabyles who don´t share your anti-arabic and anti-islamic sentiments at all. They are religious muslims, yet they didn´t abandon their Berber language and culture heritage (which is not pagan, but islamic). People of your kind are maybe loud, but I am sure that you are just a tiny minority.
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