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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 3, 2005 16:23:02 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet your people only became racially conscious in the wake of the colonial era. not true, mike. you couldn't say something as false. if berbers were really race conscious at that colonial time, berbers would accept the french proposition of the creation of a "berberistan", a project that french had : give the country to its real people, but berbers stupidely refused that and kept fighting french (because of islam saying "we're all the same people and blablabla, arabs are your brother, blabla, etc." it's the berber's main failure.) now morocco belong to these traitors of fez and alaouite criminals who worship french (french bought them with luxuous cars and corruption while berbers fought in order to free their country), if berbers were really race conscious they should kill all these filthy people who deserve nothing else than death... but we're not race conscious, we're tolerant (and unfortunately muslim) and even though we dislike other races/cultures (which is 100 % true), our main interest is to make money. Race mixing with Blacks in southern Berberia predates the arrival of Islam in NA. Islma just worsened the problem by his egalitarian (all humans are equal in Allah's eyes) view of humans.
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 3, 2005 16:27:45 GMT -5
I think there is a difference between being racially conscious and ethnically/culturally conscious. Black Africans or Tuareg half-breeds wouldn't have been seen as a threat to Berbers because they had little real power, right? But the French certainly would seeing as how they were technologically advanced. More of a question of power and self-preservation than race in that instance. Good point. I used the term ethnicity in its 'racial' sense, thats how I understand it (even in french language -- éthnie).
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 3, 2005 16:32:04 GMT -5
Since when are you a Tuareg, Berter? Your ethnicity lies in the Atlas mountains, not in the Sahara. As far as I'm concerned, Riffians look like the long-lost cousins of the Irishmen. And give me a break... most racially damaged? I'd be willing to bet your people only became racially conscious in the wake of the colonial era. I hardly doubt your ancestors gave two shits about mixing with blacks. Pussy is pussy. Reactions like that of Berter comes from his aesthetic tastes and his readings (PANF,SKADI...etc.), You'll never see a N.African (in general) like Berter. Amazigh (from PANFF) and Atlantis are much more extreme berberists than I. If you compare me to them, I'd sound like a lamb to you.
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Post by Herzeleid on Aug 3, 2005 16:33:49 GMT -5
I didn't know you were a racist Berter. Or is this part of your "Smite Me! " campaign?
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Post by Wadaad on Aug 3, 2005 22:08:38 GMT -5
Since when are you a Tuareg, Berter? Your ethnicity lies in the Atlas mountains, not in the Sahara. As far as I'm concerned, Riffians look like the long-lost cousins of the Irishmen. And give me a break... most racially damaged? I'd be willing to bet your people only became racially conscious in the wake of the colonial era. I hardly doubt your ancestors gave two shits about mixing with blacks. Pussy is pussy. I believe so too...his ideals and code of conduct are not in tune with regular Berbers. Or worse they might become mainstream and fuel some kind of Tutsi vs Hutu prejudice which also stems from people's identity becoming overwhelmed by colonialism.
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Post by CobraCommander on Aug 4, 2005 4:37:40 GMT -5
So how come there are Blacks in Israel,Russia,Canada,Turkey and Greece?No one twisted their arm you know.The fact is I have nothing to gain from their existence here but I dont mind them living in Africa under some limitations of say low birth rate. Did you know that in New York there are more recent African immigrants than Blacks who are descenders of African slaves?Did you know that? Who made them come there?What do they have to look there?There are adjusted to the climate of Africa more than to climate of North America so why did they come?To freeze their asses? They are always complaining of how discriminated and underprivileged they are,so why they just dont leave?We have heard about Blacks preaching Blacks to return to Africa and Malcolm X being the most famous example so why they dont take action and leave?I'm not an American or a Russian but it effects me too.About half a year ago I heard about a half Jewish Russian/half Nigerian family who came to settle in my f*cking country and spread their mongrel seed here,I see many people go out with Ethiopian girls and it hurts me. What they have to do with my country? What the hell they look for here?I mean it's been proven genetically they are not Jewish so what are they doing here?Even the quality of the bananas here is as not good as in Africa. Blacks have one place to live in - Africa
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Post by Ponto Hardbottle on Aug 4, 2005 7:39:01 GMT -5
Interestingly, you mentioned bananas. The banana is native to the Indo-Malaysian part of Asia, not Africa at all. The presence of bananas in Africa since prehistoric times illustrates the back migrations from Asia to Africa in the past bringing food plants like bananas with them. Africa is the continent which is home to many races. Your idea that negroids are the Africans is at best dumb, and at worse racist. There are Africans people living in Australia, most of whom have been victims of ethnic hatreds, been involved in wars against their will, had family members killed and in the end had to leave the countries of their birth. Yes, I wish those people happiness and the ability to one day return to their birth countries when it is safe for them. There are also people who have left South Africa and Zimbabwe, white people, who also deserve to be able to return to their birth countries and live in safety. The idea that Colonialism is responsible for the hatred between Hutus and Tutsis is very immature and not very bright. Those people always hated each other, long before any European had heard of Rwanda/Burundi. Accept the fact that native African peoples can be assholes, can be rapists, can use a machete to rearrange another native African's body without any imput from anyone else. Be adults and accept responsiblities for your actions.
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Post by Wadaad on Aug 4, 2005 10:36:33 GMT -5
Yes Ponto you're right The Belgian colonialists did not implement divide and conquer tactics over there and are totally blameless
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Post by mmmkay on Aug 4, 2005 12:10:33 GMT -5
LOL oh your in israel! "Africans" (you probably mean black africans) are xenophobes compared to chinese, and ofcourse the jews. Both groups have arguably the largest diaspora's of all human groups. Chinese not only have a huge population to their credit, they are pretty well spread out. But again everyone goes straight for the "africans" because they are convenient to pick on.
The world is humanity's playground, it belongs to every group, so much as people share it equitably.
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Post by Wadaad on Aug 4, 2005 12:22:02 GMT -5
I simply dont like them because of the fact they push themselves into every part of the world.As simple as this.I think that there should be a "black free" country where there would be no Blacks.Everywhere you go you see them Middle East,South and North America,Europe. Well your people (I guess jews) didn't only push themselves to every part of the world but on top of that exploited every single part of the world. Wow you got me dreaming. A country with no blacks and no semites, I wonder how it feels. Im sure the anti-semitism stems from your historical confrontation with arabs. Now what role do Jews play in your bias is it an Islamic one, or do you think Zionists have detrimental plans towards Berber interests. In any case, collectively hating all Jews, Arabs and Blacks is an odd thing for a North African to do since that is the sphere that more or less you guys fit in.
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Post by atlantis on Aug 4, 2005 12:31:34 GMT -5
now morocco belong to these traitors of fez and alaouite criminals who worship french (french bought them with luxuous cars and corruption while berbers fought in order to free their country), if berbers were really race conscious they should kill all these filthy people who deserve nothing else than death... but we're not race conscious, we're tolerant (and unfortunately muslim) and even though we dislike other races/cultures (which is 100 % true), our main interest is to make money. What's the etnictiy of Morocco's prime minister and miniser of foreign affaires and what's their mother tongue? Here is great article for you in french: Le grand capital amazigh a aussi ses stars, son histoire et ses particularitéswww.telquel-online.com/145/couverture_145_1.shtml
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Post by Ewig Berter on Aug 4, 2005 13:35:24 GMT -5
In any case, collectively hating all Jews, Arabs and Blacks is an odd thing for a North African to do since that is the sphere that more or less you guys fit in. First, you might always find a criterion according to which you can group peoples like Semites (Jews, Arabs), NAs (Imazighen, Orginal AEs) and Indoiranians (kurdes, ...) in one sphere but whatever this this criterion is, you cant add Blacks to them. Second, I'm not attempting to distance Berbers from Blacks to lump them with any other 'race': Berbers do not fit in the European sphere, yes. As a Berberist, my capital concern is our racial and cultural preservation. Next time try to express your ideas frankly. Be EXPLICIT.
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Post by masri on Aug 4, 2005 13:52:01 GMT -5
So how come there are Blacks in Israel,Russia,Canada,Turkey and Greece?No one twisted their arm you know.The fact is I have nothing to gain from their existence here but I dont mind them living in Africa under some limitations of say low birth rate. Did you know that in New York there are more recent African immigrants than Blacks who are descenders of African slaves?Did you know that? Who made them come there?What do they have to look there?There are adjusted to the climate of Africa more than to climate of North America so why did they come?To freeze their asses? They are always complaining of how discriminated and underprivileged they are,so why they just dont leave?We have heard about Blacks preaching Blacks to return to Africa and Malcolm X being the most famous example so why they dont take action and leave?I'm not an American or a Russian but it effects me too.About half a year ago I heard about a half Jewish Russian/half Nigerian family who came to settle in my f*cking country and spread their mongrel seed here,I see many people go out with Ethiopian girls and it hurts me. What they have to do with my country? What the hell they look for here?I mean it's been proven genetically they are not Jewish so what are they doing here?Even the quality of the bananas here is as not good as in Africa. Blacks have one place to live in - Africa I can't believe your complaining about one mixed race family in your entire country. Don't you think Israel has a few other things to worry about?
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Post by Wadaad on Aug 4, 2005 14:00:10 GMT -5
In any case, collectively hating all Jews, Arabs and Blacks is an odd thing for a North African to do since that is the sphere that more or less you guys fit in. First, you might always find a criterion according to which you can group peoples like Semites (Jews, Arabs), NAs (Imazighen, Orginal AEs) and Indoiranians (kurdes, ...) in one sphere but whatever this this criterion is, you cant add Blacks to them. Second, I'm not attempting to distance Berbers from Blacks to lump them with any other 'race': Berbers do not fit in the European sphere, yes. As a Berberist, my capital concern is our racial and cultural preservation. Next time try to express your ideas frankly. Be EXPLICIT. I have no hidden meanings...and there are many criteria that links together Blacks+North Africans in one sphere....Islam is one, the Arabic tongue is another, and the point you made in your first post is a third, I can think of many more but I made my point.
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Post by masri on Aug 4, 2005 14:05:16 GMT -5
First, you might always find a criterion according to which you can group peoples like Semites (Jews, Arabs), NAs (Imazighen, Orginal AEs) and Indoiranians (kurdes, ...) in one sphere but whatever this this criterion is, you cant add Blacks to them. Second, I'm not attempting to distance Berbers from Blacks to lump them with any other 'race': Berbers do not fit in the European sphere, yes. As a Berberist, my capital concern is our racial and cultural preservation. Next time try to express your ideas frankly. Be EXPLICIT. I have no hidden meanings...and there are many criteria that links together Blacks+North Africans in one sphere....Islam is one, the Arabic tongue is another, and the point you made in your first post is a third, I can think of many more but I made my point. Atlantis...Morocco is in league with many Sub-saharan african countries. The number one AID recepient in Africa is Egypt anyway...as for historically and civilization wise: Horn of Africa > Berbers the future is upto God's plans Egypt is the top aid recipient from America because America realizes the value of relations with Egypt. This only proves that Egypt is the only country in Africa that is considered important to American foreign policy and global stability. Besides, North Africans dominate Africa in terms of tourism recipients and football (Ahly will win the African Champions League!). As for business, it was an Egyptian company (Orascom) that controlled almost half of the telecoms companies in Africa, but it had to sell most of them to fund its recent acquisitions in North Africa and Italy..
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